How does Socialized health care give health care to all while cut health care spending by about 50%?
First some Absolute FACTS:
1- Government run Universal Socialized health care (NHS) gives health care to ALL while cut health care spending by 50%, which means it would cut US Deficits by about $1-Trillion per Year. Given absolute FACT that in countries that have not-for-profit NHS, which is all European countries, Canada, Japan, Israel, Australia, etc. they spend about 9% of GDP on health care while giving health care to all their People.
2- In US where we have for-profit Wall Street run health care rather than NHS, health care spending is taking a Deficit BUSTING 18% of GDP while 50-Million+ do not have health care.
3- In countries that have not-for-profit NHS, ZERO people are going bankrupt each year due to health care costs, whereas in US with for-profit Wall Street run health care, 2-Million+ are going bankrupt each year due to health care costs.
4- Health care reform Obama Admin passed mandates us to buy health care from same Wall Street backed companies that have brought us the current bankrupting health care system.
5- Of course Republicans and the right-wing Media, aka Wall Street owned Media, know the above facts, that is they know that NHS is the only and best way to run the Health Care of a Country, IF you cared about the People of that Country, and were not actually its enemy, as per the fact that they keep telling us that: "Israel is an example of a Free Market economy success", "Your health care system is a Marvel"! And Israel has 100% Government run Universal Nationalized Health Care (aka NHS), as for example Romney just did in his trip to Israel. Or they have been telling us how Margaret Thatcher's Conservative party in UK is a best example of a "Free Market Champion", etc. and Margaret Thatcher's Conservative party in UK is 100% for their NHS.
How does NHS give health care to all while cut health care spending by 50%
If you are from USA and have been brain washed by right-wing LYING Media, aka Wall Street owned Media, which is almost all US Media, you will then be asking:
"How does Government run Socialized Health Care health care (NHS) give health care to all the People while at the same time cut health care spending by about 50%?", which would mean cut the Deficits by about $1-Trillion while giving health care to ALL American people for the Taxes we ALREADY pay.
NHS gives health care to ALL while cut health care spending by 50%, due to these factors:
1- Under NHS because health care companies are run on not for profit basis, they do NOT pay 100s of Billions in dividends to their Wall Street share holders as is the case in USA with many health care companies being publicly traded such as United Health Care (NYSE Stock Symbol: UNH)
2- Under NHS health care companies do not spend 100s of Billions of Dollars in Advertising to thus control their Media and/or lobbying their congress to make sure socialized health care does not come into existence, which are the cases in USA as per typical evening news being almost 75% made up of Big Pharma or health care related Ads or as you well know the health care lobby is the biggest lobby in Washington DC
3- But perhaps the most important factor in how it is that NHS saves 50% on health care costs while giving health care to all the people, is that under NHS people involved with health care are not able to make more than 250K per year, still a very good salary since it is more than what 95% of Americans make. So for example whereas current Governor of Florida made $72-Million from health care, in countries with socialized health care, he would have made NO such Millions. Or whereas CEO of United health care made $124Million in 2009, he would have made a maximum of about $250K in countries with NHS and thus the resulting $123,750,000 in saving would have gone into the socialized health care system. And lets also state that our Government does set the salaries of a 4 Star Genera, an Admiral, a Judge, etc. and at no more than $250K per year.
4- Another HUGE Factor of how NHS cuts health care spending by 100s of Billions of Dollars is that prevention and early stage health care costs MUCH MUCH LESS than late stage or NO health care. An example is best way to explain this. Say 2 people have an infectious disease, 1 is in USA with no health care or deductibles and co-pays so high they dont dare to go to Doctor while the other is in a country with NHS so they can go to Doctor free, FREE FOR TAXES THEY PAY. So in countries with NHS this person would get health care without a question and thus his disease would be cured at earliest stage, before metastasizing into something much more expensive to cure and without him spreading this infectious disease to 1000s more, thus the total cost to the NHS would be relatively minimal. OTOH, the person with same infectious disease in USA would have to suffer until he is bleeding in middle of street, at which point he could be admitted to ER, where it would cost 10 times as much to treat him and meanwhile by that time he could have infected 1000s of more people with this disease.
5- Plus many other factors, of much smaller scale compared to above 4, such as under NHS Lawyers will not be able to sue for Multi Million Dollar malpractice cases, and thus Doctors would not need to buy exorbitantly priced malpractice insurance, etc.
So the above factors are why Government run Socialized health care for all (NHS), would cut health care spending, and thus Deficits & Debt, by $1-Trillion per Year.
Government run Universal Socialized health care (NHS) gives health care to ALL while cut health care spending by 50% (which means cut Deficits by $1-Trillion)! Why dont we have it then?
Because most of $1-Trillion in SAVINGs that NHS would bring US per year, will come out of the pocket of some very Rich & Powerful people.
So what have these greedy bastards done to stop NHS from coming into existence in this country as it exists in all other developed Nations? They have funded a most right-wing lying machine known to man, aka US Media, from psychos on Talkradio from Rush, to Beck, etc. to such Media outlets as Wall Street Journal, Fox news, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc. to lie and lie to American people against NHS coming into existence in USA by selling American people such astonishing Con Job as:
"Socialism will bankrupt us"
etc. psycho babble
when the ABSOLUTE FACT is that in countries that have NHS, which is all European countries, Canada, Israel, etc., beside ALL their people having health care they spend 50% LESS on health care!
And the FACT That NHS saves 50% on cost of health care, the FACT that NHS gives certainty to businesses and people that their health care costs will not soar and bankrupt them as in USA, while giving health care to ALL their People, is why all the Conservative parties, repeat for Republican lunatics and lying US Media and HOAX Democrats, why ALL the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS.
Why doesnt US Media tell you that Conservative parties in UK, Canada, Israel, etc. 100% support their NHS
You want irrefutable proof that entire US Media, aka Wall Street owned Media, is a right-wing LYING machine? Without any regard as to how many Americans it KILLs or bankrupts.
You can have this proof by the FACT that they have NOT told you, that all Conservative parties, repeat Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their Government run Universal Socialized health care (NHS). And WHY all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS.
Because if they did then that would be instant proof of what lunatics Republicans are for opposing NHS and calling it "Socialism", since surely all the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are not "Socialist".
And what HOAX Obama/Dems are for not having even proposed NHS set aside pass it.
And how US Media has been and is part and parcel of this Con Job on you when NHS gives health care to all while CUT health care spending by 50% and that is why all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for it.
Think about it!
So think about it: FACTS prove that US Media, aka Wall Street Owned Media, has colluded with Republican lunatics & HOAX Democrats, our (so called) representatives in Government, to make sure that American People do not become aware of the FACT that NHS is only way to operate the health care of a country, because it gives health care to ALL while CUT health care Spending by 50%, and that is why all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel the beloved Nation of Republican lunatics, etc. are ALL 100% for their NHS.
Question is WHY has and is US Media hiding these facts from American People?
One Answer is obviously so that the Wall Street gang (aka Rich aka 1%), that owns them, can make an extra $1-Trillion per Year off of health care. Damn be the rest of the American People & Nation.
But there can only be other EVEN MORE sinister Answers, since many of these Wall Street gang members are already Rich beyond needing any more money. The answer is that they want Young Organs.
1) Margaret Thatchers Conservative party is 100% for their Universal nationalized single payer health care
2) U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study while spending twice as much on health care than countries with NHS
3) Multi Million Dollar compensations of Big Health Care CEOS:
4) Man Dies From Toothache, Couldn't Afford Meds
5) Why Only the TRUE ENEMY of a Nation would be not 100% for NHS
6) Some good facts regarding Medicare in US - keeping in mind that Medicare is not NHS at all, but a GIANT gift to Wall Street backed companies with the Admin part of it being Government run
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I would like to read Less Adjectives with More Facts.
Both NHS and free market health services are not perfect.
Using one example of something bad on one system to put down the other system does not get my attention.
I know two facts.
Anything managed purely by a government does not live up to it's best potential.
Anything in a free market not regulated does not live up to it's best potential.
Where did you get this FACT:
"Anything managed purely by a government does not live up to it's best potential."
1st, US Military is "managed purely by a government" and it is the Worlds number 1 Military and Republican lunatics LOVE it.
2nd, in countries that have Government run Universal Nationalized Health Care (NHS), they give health care to ALL their people while they spend 50% LESS on health care. What part of this you think is not GREAT?
In fact you want Absolute Proof that Government run Universal Socialized Health care(NHS) is the best way to run the health care of a country?
Well let Romney tell it.
That is Romney was in Israel a few weeks back. And in that visit he commended the Israelis for:
"Having a Free Market economy that is thriving"
AND he also commended, actually marveled, on how Israel gives health care to ALL her People while spending 50% LESS on health care than US.
But the bastard, and the US Media, did NOT observe the FACT that Israel has 100% Government run Universal Socialized Health care (NHS).
We have the best military because we spend more then any one else.
I don't view the military as being managed by government. Govt provides
money to military and they decide how to spend it. It's like giving your
teenager an allowance and having to cough up a few extra dollars every
now and then for big ticket stuff. Govt only decides if it will pay extra for
a project. Govt does not tell military to use such and such. Military decides
that for themselves.
The military has a give and take relationship with it's suppliers.
When the military wants a new product they go to the businesses and say
we want to be able to do this. Tell us how we can do that. Businesses then
draw up the specification(s) using what they know. The military then uses
that as a baseline and does changes as they see are needed. It goes back
and forth like this until the military knows what they can get and business
understands what the military wants.
Your comments here is best proof of how devoid of facts and logic you are!
That is you actually said:
"I don't view the military as being managed by government. "
WOW WOW WOW!
US Military is operated the same EXACT way that Government run Socialized Health care (aka NHS) is operated for example in UK, Israel, etc.
That is People in the US Military are paid by the Tax payers and most importantly their salaries are set by the Government. That is the salary of a General, Admiral, etc. are all set by acts of Congress. Similarly salaries of the People involved with NHS in UK, Israel, etc. are set by the Government and they cannot pay themselves what they want. This is one of the KEY reason why in UK, Israel, etc. they give health care to all their people while health care there costs 50% less than US. So for example:
"whereas CEO of United health care made $124 Million in 2009, he would have made a maximum of about $250K in countries with NHS and thus the resulting $123,750,000 in saving would have gone into the socialized health care system."
So just as members of Military in US are 100% paid by us the Tax payers and their salaries are set by our Government, in countries with NHS, people involved in health care are 100% paid by the Tax payers and their salaries are set by the Government, and that is why in countries with NHS, they give health care to all their people while health care there costs 50% less than US.
And lets state these FACTS: Margaret Thatcher's UK and Israel are the beloved Nation of Republicans and right-wing Media, which is ultimate proof of that these people have been engaged in an ultimate Con Job on US. For while they oppose NHS for US, they love Israel which has 100% NHS and in fact Republicans, such as Romney just did, they state that:
"Your economy is a sample of free market success"
"Your health care is a marvel"
while Israel has 100% Government run Socialized Health care.
In the 1920s Free Market was as unregulated as it will ever be. Fast forward
to 1929 is all I need to say about it not reaching potential by shooting it's
own foot. Same for our recent crashes, even in these regulated times.
I believe most of our current problems all started when Glass-Stegal was repealed.
I can sum up pure free market being bad in two words "Children's Toys"
There is also the pollution problems free market was unable to clean up
on there own. In a true pure free-market you will have major problems
deciding if a product is safe or worth buying.
A good business with a true good product wants a minimum of regulations
just to prevent bad product of the same type from making their's
look bad also.
Where is the service factor? NHS works good when you know what is wrong with you. When you just need simple maintenance care or care like end of life where all the steps and processes are well known. Go outside these boundaries and NHS falls apart. Don't like the way your care is being handled? You can't fire NHS.
At least Obama care allows you to fire your HMO.
There is so much non-sense in this rant it is not worth responding to.
I live happily in Norway - free education at all levels and free health care. Still, only nine per cent of GNP is spent on health care: http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/09/01/helsesat_en/
In Norway, the prime minister earns abt. 250,000 USD a year, the unemployment rate is below 4 per cent and crime rates are low. The key to this society is the great emphasis on a fair distribution of wealth, and more or less equal access to education and health care, etc. To obtain this, taxation is progressive: Since I earn more than the average Norwegian, I am in a higher tax bracket, which is only fair. In return, I live in a well-functioning society where most people are quite happy with the way things are. There is always room for improvement, but I hope we'll never see the full-scale commercialisation of society that is found in the USA. The USA has been a great country, and may potentially become one again, but then people need to see through the Hollywood-like presentations of party politics and wake up to the reality that a more just society is needed.
Ric, yes you are very correct.
I hope more and more Americans find out about this realnewspost.com which is just about the only News organization in US that is reporting the truth unlike the lies and lies coming out of the Wall Street owned media, aka right-wing lying Media.
I hope more people read the post from people like yourself from Norway and other similar countries that the key to a better and happier society is exactly what Norway is doing which is Government providing the essential services of Health care & College education on Socialized basis and as you noted STOP being brain washed by the lies and trash coming out of Hollywood and the right-wing lying Media of US.
I've lived in the UK, and the healthcare system there is not all you've made it out to be. look at the financial crisis in europe. spain, ireland,etc. are spending more than they receive in tax revenues on programs like healthcare. is the system in the US perfect? no. is the system in europe perfect? obviously not. its already been mentioned that in the UK nurses are often overworked and underpaid. i'd also like to mention that anyone who thinks making $250,000 a year in the US doesn't make you rich is insane. I have three sisters still living at home and my parents make about $100,000 a year and are very happy. my dad just had surgery for a hernia and we've had many other healthcare expenses in the past couple years and they're not going bankrupt. and any canadians that want to comment here, you can stay nice and cozy in your log cabins up there because of our military spending. if you weren't our allies and had to pay for some sort of national defense, i wonder how much you'd have left over to spend on healthcare? instead of mocking us you should be grateful we protect you.
Please spare us the crap of "I've lived in the UK"!
For 1st, how do we know you live in UK?
2nd, I lived in UK too and know many who have lived in UK.
3rd, what if you jumped of the bridge, does that mean it is a good thing to do?
Now lets look at the BIG picture:
1- It is not just the Europeans that have NHS, the entire developed World has NHS, from Canada, to Japan, to Australia, including Republican lunatics beloved Israel.
2- If Europeans were not operating health care on Socialized basis, aka NHS, then their Debt would be much higher. Given the fact that in countries that have NHS, health care is taking on avg about 9% of GDP, whereas in US with no NHS and instead Wall Street run health care, where an astonishing 50Mill+ have NO health care, health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP. So because Europeans have NHS, their spending on health care is reduced by $1-Trillion per year. So operating health care on Socialized basis costs LESS, not more, but LESS, which means LESS "financial crisis" due to it.
3. You say:
" i'd also like to mention that anyone who thinks making $250,000 a year in the US doesn't make you rich is insane."
Which is one of the KEY points of this article Doh!
That is the reason health care costs MUCH LESS in countries with Socialized health care is that people involved with it cannot make more than $250,000, contrast this to US where people such as Governor of Florida made $75-Million from health care.
Every American should read this article to really appreciate the extent of the Con Job that US Media, Republicans & Democrats, aka agents of Big Pharma, Big Insurance, have been playing on US (American People). Given the fact that Government run Socialized Health Care health care (NHS) give health care to all while cut health care spending by about 50% AND then these bastard Republicans & right-wing Media pundits get on the Air and say:
"Deficits are going to make us go bankrupt"
"Medicare shows that Government run health care costs out of control)
When the EXACT opposite is the truth, that is why Medicare costs are going up is that we are not actually operating health care on NHS basis as outlined here, but on our Government paying for profit Wall Street back companies to provide health care to those over 65.
You Americans are just whacked. In Canada we have free health care and live much longer than you all to the south. Moreover, we are a much freer people...you guys cannot see how you get hoodwinked by Republicans. They are the party of large government and fear and loathing....eesh wake up!
The problem is, this is painted as Nirvana. Having lived in the UK for 40 years and now 12 in the USA, I can tell you the problem with the NHS is the Governments invovlement.
Nurses and real care workers have 3 x more managers than needed. People go on wards with the dying / ill. People go in with minor ailments and die of infection from the poorly managed processes (too many managers = poor management).
Nurses are overworked and underpaid. Cheap (often foreign) labour is used where the levels of "good hygiene" differ and the language barrier can kill.
Be careful what you ask for America. The UK pays 20% of every dollar earned from each pay check to fund an efficient system. I don't have all the answers but don't look to the UK. It's not all bad - but then neither was the USA!!!
After one proves with mountain of FACTS that Republicans are utter complete lunatic, really the TRUE ENEMY of the American people, for opposing Government run Socialized health care (NHS), which FACTS are why ALL Conservative parties, repeat for Republican lunatics, ALL Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS then Republicans restore to couple of cheap lies, such as:
"My mother lived in Canada and came to US for health care needs"
For if there was an ounce of truth to these stories, if these were NOT total lies, then:
1- There would be demonstrations in streets of in Europe, Canada, etc. to switch from their NHS to US style health care, but instead they have massive demonstrations when there was in 80's hints of introducing some US style health care
2- One of the parties, just one of the parties, in Europe, Canada, etc. would be for switching to US style health care, NONE is. They all 100% support their NHS.
3- US would be ranked higher than these countries in health Stats, instead US ranks with poor 3rd World countries
check out the very relevant article today on the UK NHS - After an $11 billion dollar NHS IT failure, this is what the Government comes up with.
Long live the NHS and Government backed Social Healthcare - it would be funny if it wasn't serious;
Whenever you Republicans open your mouth you really proved what utter complete lunatics you are, that is this article that you have referenced via this URL does NOT say:
1- that Government run Social Healthcare (NHS) is bad and lets switch to US style for profit health care,
2- it does NOT say lets not give total health care for FREE to all UK citizens for their obligation to pay Taxes,
3- it does NOT say that lest switch from Government run Universal health care to US style for profit Wall Street run health care
it simply reports on a problem with an aspect of NHS, this case IT costs, which is of course normal since every complex system, and NHS given the fact that it is 9.5% of UK economy is indeed a very complex and massive indeed, has many failures and many short comings that need to be fixed and improved on. But NO ONE is stating lets replace our Government run Universal Social Healthcare (NHS), where ALL UK citizens have health care for FREE for Taxes they pay, with US style for profit health care where 50Mill+ have NO health care.
Redbone, sure you lived in UK/Europe you freaking lying machine.
All Europeans have health care for FREE for the Taxes they pay while they spend 50% LESS on health care, ZERO European is going bankrupt each year due to health care costs while 2-Mill+ American are going bankrupt each year due to health care costs, ZERO Europeans are KILLED each year due to being denied health care due to pre-existing condition clause while at least 50,000 American Adults are KILLED each year due to being denied health care due to pre-existing condition clause, etc.
and you freaking moron say that:
"I lived in Europe for several years and their National Health service is nothing to write home about."
Also you freaking moron, it is not just Europeans that have National Health service, so do Canadians, in fact all developed Nations have it, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republican lunatics.
You're stupid. Very, very stupid.
Only a Republican turd bag like you would say:
"You're stupid. Very, very stupid"
without saying which one of the points made by thinkdeep were not 100% factual.
I mean you retard if you are going to say:
"You're stupid. Very, very stupid"
in the presence of this article that totally proves what utter lunatics you Republicans are, really the total con job that Republicans and entire US Media aka Wall Street owned Media) have been playing on us American people, then present a few facts as to why this is "You're stupid. Very, very stupid"
otherwise you just again prove what brain dead turds you are.
Regarding this did you read on Wall Street Journal how: $250,000 income does not make you Rich anymore given inflation and in particular: ""Health-care costs alone have more than doubled in the past decade."
So notice the Con Job that Wall Street owned Media has been playing on US as per this article that someone making Six figure income is really not Rich, but then these same bastards turn around and say:
1. Lets cut the modest $50,000K per year salaries of Teachers, Nurses, etc. because "we are in Debt"
2. Lets cut ther truly pathetic $1500 per month that retires on SSN get, because "Entitelments are costing us too much"
3. "Union Thugs" are asking for a pay increase of $2000 per year to a modest salary of §60K per year
And to add insult to injury the article states:
"Health-care costs alone have more than doubled in the past decade."
WOW! They have because you bastards in right-wing US Media have LIED & LIED to oppose Government run Socialized Health Care health care which would give health care to all while at the same time cut health care spending by about 50%
This article is a real EYE opener. For anyone who wants to know what Fawking bastard Republicans and the rightWing Media in US are, in fact how the entire US Media is a rightWing lying machine, they should read this article.
Man and US Media has told us over and over that Government run health care will bankrupt us when the EXACT OPPOSITE is true as this article well demonstrates as per example of health care in all countries with Government run socialized health care, which is just the entire developed World, costing half as much as what health care costs in US that does not have Government run socialized health care!
How corrupt is US Media and Government to have not acted by now and established Government run socialized health care in this country as the rest of the developed World has. And one must say how corrupt " is US Media and Government" because it is not just the Republicans that oppose Government run socialized health care, which is ultimate proof of what real enemy of US they are, but Democrats also have not proposed set aside pass Government run socialized health care, which is really the minimum every and any developed Government has done for their People.
How pathetic are American people not rise up in face of above facts!
Because they are too busy to watch "American Idol" or other junk on TV.
Because they are too brain washed by the right-wing lying Media, aka the Wall street owned Media, to hate the relative nothing threats of Alqaeda or Immigrants, etc. fear-mongering rather than who is actually their enemy which is the right-wing lying Media, aka the Wall street owned Media, from lying machines such as Rush, Beck, to Faux news, CNN, etc.