Why Only the enemy of a Nation would be against Universal Nationalized Health Care
To see why only an ENEMY of Nation would be not 100% for Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care (aka NHS), just look at the rest of the developed World. You will have your absolute proof of this statement by considering the FACT that entire developed World operates health care on NHS basis. In fact only USA and some failed states such as Sudan, Somalia, etc. do not have NHS. In fact, and here is the KILLER FACT, all Conservative parties, repeat Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Japan, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS.
So why all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Japan, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS? Because a real conservative would want to Conserve money while getting the Job done which is what NHS does because it SAVES 50% on cost of health care while giving health care to all.
Just think about it: NHS, aka single payer health care, means everyone having health care while health care costing 50% LESS than what health care costs in US which does not have NHS and instead has for profit health care.
What about the health care reform Obama Admin passed
The health care reform that Obama Admin passed, what Republican lunatics call "ObamaCare" is a near joke of a health care reform, since it is anything but Universal Nationalized health care.
To see what a Joke, a cruel joke on the American people, the Obama Admin health care reform is consider the fact that a year after its passage the number of American without health care has increased to 51Million rather than going down to ZERO, that health care costs for typical American has gone higher rather than dramatically going lower because this health care reform forces us to buy health care from the same for profit Wall Street owned heath insurance companies that have brought us the current bankrupting health care system in US. And as the ultimate insult, it does not even end the truly "Crime against Humanity" act of health insurance companies in US denying Americans health care because they have had a medical need in the last 10 years, aka "Pre-existing condition" until 2014! Thus killing at least 50,000 Americans per Year due to this.
The Conservative parties in entire developed World are 100% for their NHS
As one of the best proofs of what a right-wing lying machine most of US Media is and has been, that is such lying sources as the Fox news, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc., consider the FACT that they have NEVER told you that the Conservative parties in entire developed World are 100% for their NHS, which would then make it instantly deducible that Republicans in US are lunatics to call NHS to be "Socialism", because that would mean then that they are then effectively calling the Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, etc. to be "Socialist", and how right-wing Obama Admin is that it did not even propose, set aside pass NHS.
So, here is Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK, stating that they are 100% for their Universal nationalized single payer health care system:
And quoting from it:
"Over three years ago David Cameron spelled out his priorities in three letters – NHS. As the party of the NHS, we will never change the idea at the heart of our NHS – that healthcare in this country is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not ability to pay."
or here is the Conservative party of Stephen Harper of Canada:
and quoting from it:
"The Conservative Party of Canada has released its platform, which is committed to ensuring that all Canadians have access to timely, quality health care services regardless of their ability to pay."
If you still do not get it as to why Conservative parties in entire developed World are 100% for their NHS, here it is in number format: that is countries that have not-for-profit Government run NHS, health care is taking on average about 9% of the GDP while in US with Wall Street run for profit health care, 50Mill+ have NO health care, 2Mill+ go bankrupt each year due to health care costs, AND health care is taking a DEFICIT busting 18% of the GDP.
So based on the above FACTS, one has to face the FACT of what enemy of the Nation Republicans, Republic-rats and the right-wing Media cabal that controls both are to have used their near total control of US Media, to hide from American people the facts about NHS, which facts lead the Conservative parties in entire developed World to be 100% for their NHS.
Example point: an Example of someone with infectious disease
To see one of the reasons why ALL Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, etc. are 100% for their NHS, take the example of someone catching an infectious disease.
In countries with NHS, where everyone has health care as a right, this person could get health care without a question and thus his infectious disease would be cured at earliest stage, before metastasizing into something much harder to cure and without him spreading this infectious disease to 1000s more, thus the total cost to the NHS would be relatively minimal as it would be confided to this person only and as disease are always much cheaper to cure at their easiest stage. OTOH, in USA without NHS, where 50Mill+ have no health care, where most small business Jobs do not even offer health care, then this person with same infectious disease would have to suffer until he is bleeding in middle of street, at which point he could be admitted to ER, where it would cost 100 times as much to treat him and meanwhile he could have infected 1000s of more people with this disease.
So just think about it:
in countries with Socialized health care, which is all developed nations from Europe to Canada, etc. this person with an infectious disease would have received total health care at the 1st sign of an illness, because he/she would receive health care "regardless of their ability to pay", thus the cost of treating him/her would have been relatively low, and more importantly 1000s more would not have been exposed to the infectious disease that this person was carrying, while in USA this person without health insurance would have suffered and suffered and suffered until they would be admitted to an ER at which time it would cost MUCH MORE to treat them and meanwhile potentially 1000s more would have been exposed to this infectious disease thus costing the society far more in so many levels.
So who but a total ENEMY of the Nation would be against NHS, given the above
example? Who but people who do not absolutely care about the well being of American Nation would be not 100% for NHS set aside be against it?
Want more proof that Republicans are the ENEMY of the Nation? Ask them these questions.
So you want irrefutable proof that Republicans, and the right-wing Media/Cabal behind them, are the TRUE ENEMY of the American People (the 99%).
You can have this proof by asking them a few questions, that is ask them:
1- What do you think of Universal Nationalized Health Care (aka NHS)?
They would answer that NHS is "Socialism". Or NHS will lead to ruin of our economy, etc.
2- Then ask them what do you think of Israel?
They would answer Israel is an example of a successful economy, Israel is a shining beacon of Democracy, etc. They would even say "they will do anything for Israel" such as another Trillion Dollars for Israel against anyone she wants, such as Iran.
Then ask them, do you know that Israel has totally free Socialized health care? Where all Israeli's have access to the same health care from cradle to grave for FREE, of course free for Taxes they pay. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel
So how can you (bastards) explain your total opposition to NHS for American people while your beloved Israel has totally Socialized health care? HOW?
And then watch these Republican (bastards) and member of right-wing Cabal/Media turn RED, spewing a few rants. That is the best explanation that I have heard them give to this total contradiction in their points of view, I kid you not is:
"Well I may like Anglina Jolies breast, but that does not mean I want to have them..."!
So right here, with the above Q&A, you have your total irrefutable proof as to what ENEMY of the American Nation Republicans and the right-wing Media are.
You can also replace above Q&A with Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK, for they are 100% for their NHS too. That is ask Republicans:
What do you think of Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK which Ronald Reagan called a "fighter for Capitalism and free market economy, etc...."?
They would answer, or they have answered, Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK is a best example of how "free market economy is the best path to prosperity..." etc.
Then ask these same Republicans and members of the right-wing Media/Cabal, do you know that Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK is 100% for their Government run Socialized health care (aka NHS)!
Then again watch these Republicans (bastards) and members of the right-wing Media/Cabal run like rats exposed to the light of truth for all the lies and Con Job that they have been playing on American people.
So what is going on with USA that Republicans and Democrats are not for NHS!
So how can it be that it is 2011 and only USA along with some failed states such as Sudan & Somalia, etc. still does not have something as essential for the well being of the Nation as NHS?
How can it be that the Conservative parties in all European nations, Canada, Israel, in fact in all of the developed World are 100% for their NHS, aka Socialized health care for all, and the Republicans in US are such utter complete lunatics to oppose NHS for American people so that 50Mill+ Americans do not have health care, so that 2Mill Americans go bankrupt each year due to health care cost, so that at least 50,000 Americans are killed each year due to "pre-existing condition", etc. wrong due to health care being operated on for profit basis in US rather than on Government run socialized basis just as we already run the Military, Fire Dept. etc. on Government run socialized basis.
How can it be that Obama Admin ran on promise of Universal health care but instead it passed a Joke of a health care reform that is anything but Universal health care?
And above all how can US Media be such a right-wing LYING machine that it does not bring to American people's attention that ALL Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Japan, etc., including Israel their beloved nation, are all 100% for their Socialized health care for all? And why is it that all Conservative parties world wide are 100% for their Socialized health care for all. For if they did this would be instant and irrefutable proof as to what utter complete lunatics Republicans are to oppose NHS and what hoax Obama Admin is for not having even proposed NHS. But instead most of the US Media, from psychos on Talkradio, to Wall Street Journal, to Fox news, etc. report one lie and lunatic non-sense after another in support of the Republicans and calling the joke of a health care reform that Obama passed to be "Socialism.." and "Government take over of health care.." which it is NOT at all as it needs to be because as the Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Japan, Israel, etc. have demonstrated a real Conservative would want Socialized Government run health care for all since then the rest of the Capitalist economy can do much better.
The answer to the above questions can only be that a 1% gang that controls the US Government via their control of US Media and Wall Street does not give a DAMN about American people. The answer to the above questions can only mean that this right-wing Cabal which for too has been effectively running the US Government, due to their access to 100s of Billions of Dollars, and thus their near total control of all US Media, and thus creation of a most amazing right-wing Media from Talkradio, to Cable TV, to Network TV to fake "Think Tanks" such as Koch Brothers American for Prosperity
, Stanford University's Hoover institute
, etc. etc. do not give a SQUAT about American people and Nation, they do not care if they KILL 1-Million, 10-Million, etc. but what they care about and the only thing that they care about is that this 1% remain Super Rich and gets to control the Nation.
So there is NO other way to explain how it is that it is 2011 and US still does not have something as basic and essential for the well being of the People and the Nation as Universal Nationalized health care (aka NHS), than a tiny group in US, that controls all Republicans and many Democrats too and above all controls most of the US Media, is TRULY the Enemy of the American people & nation. For whom but the TRUE ENEMY of a Nation would be against NHS given the FACT that the entire developed World has had NHS for decades, as a result of which while all their people have health care they spend about 9% of their GDP on health care, whereas in US with no NHS and instead for-profit Wall Street run health care, where an astonishing 50Mill+ have NO health care, health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP.
(0) Health care costs HALF as much in countries with Universal Socialized health care:
(1) Great FAQ by Physicians for a National Health Program as to why Single-Payer health care is only way to operate the health care of a country
(2) Orin Hatch states "How he loves Israel and will do anything for her..."
(3) 73% of working, repeat working, people in Texas have NO health insurance
(4) 50,000 Americans KILLED each year by due to pre-existing Condition
(5) Just as an example, McDonald's does not have real health insurance for its employees in USA but its employees in Europe, Canada, etc. have
(7) US Employer Health Insurance Hits New Low - 1 year after passage of Obama health care
(Proving what a JOKE Obama health care is)
(8) Multi Million Dollar compensations of Big Health Care CEOS:
(9) United Health CEO earned $124.8 million in 2005
(10) One in Four in US Lacked Health Coverage in 2011: Study
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Enemy of the American People ... wow.
This is the real problem ... and it comes from both sides ... this type of rhetoric.
lack of Universal Nationalized Health Care (aka NHS) is KILLING at least 50,000 Americans per year, that is MORE than 10 times number of Amerians Osama Bin Laden killed Once in 2001.
Romney & Republicans oppose NHS.
ALL Conservative parties, repeat for Republican lunatics, ALL Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS
Romney & Republicans 100% Support Israel that has 100% NHS.
Here is example one of the 50,000 Americans KILLED each year due to being denied health care due to pre-existing condition alone:
she will be living if she lived in Israel, or any developed Nation.
So based on the above FACTS: what can you call the Republicans & the right-wing Media than the TRUE ENEMY of the American Nation? After all, they are KILLING 10 times as many Americans than Osama bin Laden killed each ear due to opposing NHS, which NHS they know to be absolutely right as per their 100% support of Israel that has NHS, or UK that has NHS.
Once again you keep repeating the same lunatic, left-wing lies. Israel does indeed have a good health care system. In return for their "free" health care, the average Israeli pays 68% of his income in direct and indirect taxes. I can buy the finest health care plan available ihe US and still pay less than the average Israeli does in total cost. Of course, the average Israeli is paying these high taxes because there are so many unproductive people in Israel that still get the same "free" health care. Do you think that might be an issue here, where you need to have an actual income before you can pay taxes to support the health care system? Lunatics like you must believe that money really does grow on trees. If you are so in love with socialism, why not move to Europe or Israel, where you can run your pathetic web site and socialist dating service in a workers paradise?
Every time you Republicans open your mouth you further prove what utter complete lunatics you people are.
That is you state:
"once again you keep repeating the same .. lies."
But then you state:
"Israel does indeed have a good health care system"
which is what I said, but also she has totally Government run Universal Socialized Health Care (NHS), what you Republican lunatics call "Socialism", which means then your beloved Israel is "Socialist"!
2nd, you state:
"average Israeli pays 68% in Taxes.", which is a TOTAL LIE, here:
3rd, you state:
"I can buy the finest health care plan available ihe US"
In Israel if you are unemployed you still get the SAME health care for FREE, how about if you lose your Job here you freaking moron? Set aside that for example 73% of working People in Texas have NO health care.
4th, on top of all above FACTS Israel, just like all European nations, spends 50% LESS on health care, which less spending Republican lunatics claim they want.
You just lumped in a bunch of completely different people into one category, and then argued that since some conservative parties in Europe are okay with nationalized healthcare, that they are all somehow far left of both the Republicans and Democrats. That simply isn't the case on some issues. There is no "left-right" continuum. There are lots of different people with lots of different beliefs, and it isn't right to simplify everything and lump everyone you don't like together.
And all national healthcare systems are not the same either. The sheer lack of nuance or understanding in anything you post is astounding.
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" That's all you really have to say. Then you pull out biased "facts" and then argue that anybody that disagrees with you is automatically wrong. Good day to you, jack off.
bombsAWAY, 1st it is not "some conservative parties in Europe are okay with nationalized healthcare", but ALL, repeat in case you did not get such a TOTAL word, ALL, conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their Universal nationalized healthcare (aka NHS).
So what does that tell you? It tells you how right-wing Obama Dems are and thus what utter complete lunatics Republicans are and this whole scam is ONLY possible because US Media, aka Wall Street owned Media, is on this scam against American people.
And WHY are ALL Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS? Because NHS SAVES 50% on cost of health care while giving health care to ALL. So only an ENEMY of a Nation would be not for NHS, set aside against it, given the FACT that NHS would save US economy $1-T per year while giving health care to ALL Americans and again that is why ALL Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS.
And NHS is just one example, but an ABSOLUTE one.
After the first six weeks being written sick in Germany, you can continue up to a year written sick and recieve 78% of your paycheck. So, if i have CANCER, I don`t have to also stress about losing my house or car or whatever else my family has built up after all our hard work!
Hell, you get sick in America and your employer usually won`t wait long to replace your butt because this might mean you could get sick again and cause their health insurance rates to increase!!!!!
I almost think most people in America that are against protecting the values of our nations well being would rather pass a bill to EXTERMINATE all sick people in our country.
After all as the AMERICAN saying goes: ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE!!
Yes one cannot conclude but any other conculsion that the right-wing Media/Cabal behind Republican lunatics and hoax Democrats in USA want "to EXTERMINATE all sick people in our country." or actually worst, that they want to KILL as many Americans as possible while bankrupting evenmore. How else can you explain that it is 2012 and USA still does not have Universal socialized health care, aka NHS, something that the ENTIRE developed World has had for decades, from ALL Europeans, to Canada, to Israel the belove Nation of the right-wing Media/Cabal, etc.
I mean NHS will mean all Americans having health care all their lives while health care csoting about $1-Trillion LESS, not more, but LESS.
Now what is really telling that an EVIL right-wing Media/Cabal in US wants to make as many Americans as misreable as possible, is that the Media machinery that they control from psychos on Talkradio, to Fox, to Wall Street Journal, etc. write, relentlessly, to date in 2012, that NHS will bankrupt us etc. lies when the EXACT opposite is true since NHS means spending by US Government and businesses, about $1-T LESS on health care, beside giving health care to all Americans, and that is why all Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Japan, Israel, etc. are 100% for their Government run socialized health care.
Agreed, we should let them die. Sick people are just bringing down our economic recovery and driving up my premium. While we're at it, we should kill off all the fat people, too, because I hate looking at them. Plus, they usually smell bad.
Why should my taxes pay for some fat ass that has a heart attack? Put him on a treadmill, not social welfare. No wonder Europeans are lazy and the French threw a fit about raising the retirement age to 62 - their governments hand them everything while racking up enormous debts to pay for it. Governments are the problem, not the solution. People dying is the solution.
Have a great weekend!
Please keep writing the above TOTAL INSANE Psycho talk.
People world wide really need to know what utter complete lunatics you Republicans are.
FYI, you freaking moron:
1- France spends 50% LESS, not More, but 50% LESS on health care while giving health care to all her people because they operate health care on Socialized basis
2- France is ranked in the top in the World in health results and life span vs USA ranked in 37 with some of the poor 3rd World countries, here:
Who cares? We should've let Germany have their way with those whiny French back in WW2.
As ThinkDeep wrote:
"Please keep writing the above TOTAL INSANE Psycho talk.
People world wide really need to know what utter complete lunatics you Republicans are."
For it is not just France that operates health care on Socialized basis with health care for all, but it is all other European countries, Canada, Israel the beloved nation of Republican lunatics, in fact all developed Nations have Government run Socialized health care but USA thanks to Republican lunatics and the right-wing Media that makes you Republican lunatics possible.
Now if you had an ounce of brain, you would ask: why ALL Conservative parties, repeat for you Republican lunatics, ALL Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for their NHS? Because a real conservative, unlike a LUNATIC, would want to Conserve money while getting the Job done which is what NHS does because it SAVES 50% on cost of health care while giving health care to all.
I don't have to ask why because I already know: Americans are the only people willing to work for what they want. The rest of the world is just lazy and constantly looking for handouts.
And the reason we have to spend so much on our military is because Europeans are useless when it comes to international diplomacy. You beg for our help because your countries are too pitiful to tackle the problems on your own. You should be sending us daily "Thank you!" cards because without our military you might not have your freedom.
Besides excellent healthcare in Germany with all it`s benefits. I get 100% of my salary (40 hour work week) in sick pay, which is paid for the first 6 weeks by my employer, and after that paid by the berufs genossenshaft (workers trades protection party), and your employer combined. If I break my leg playing scrabble on my private time, guess what? YEP, you guessed it! 100% of my paycheck!!
This pay out is paid by what`s called the Krankenkasse (health care system). And it`s not difficult getting a doctor to write you sick! As a matter of fact my wife and I usually have to brake the doctors from writing too much. My wife had a inflammed shoulder muscle and the doctor wanted to write her sick for 3 weeks immediately. But because she doesn`t want to abuse the system she started with one week and returned to the doctor for more! And to reply to one comment here, NO the healthcare system here is not failing. It only suffers when a country has high unemployment due to lack of funds going in! That`s part of any government system that depends on taxes. They must adjust spending elsewhere!
Three weeks for an inflamed shoulder? Your wife is weak and your system sucks.
The Euro started trading on January 5, 1999. The opening price was $1.16 and reached a high of $1.19 before settling at at $1.18.
Whoever posted that it was released at 1 to 1 against the $ is a liar or is suffering from memory loss.
1st, Euro was introduced at 1 to 1 to US Dollar, here:
in fact it was introduced at .98 to USD
2nd, what is the point of stating your erronus info in reply to this article anyway! The article is talking about "Why Only the enemy of a Nation would be against Universal Nationalized Health Care ", specially given the fact that It is not just Europeans that have Universal Nationalized Health Care, so do all other developed nations, including Israel the beloved nation of Republicans and the article does a great job of proving this fact by asking a few question from a typical Republican as to their position on Universal Nationalized Health Care, their position on Israel, and then stating the fact that Israel, the beloved nation of Republicans has 100% free, for Taxes that you pay, Universal Nationalized Health Care.
UHC, you are wasting your time.
As a typical Republican lunatic, this guy is either an agent of the Republican con job, here to spew the lunatic lies of Republican party, as if they could get away with it here as they do on CNN, Wall Street Journal, Talkradio, etc. or he is truly a lunatic, made so by the 10s of Billions of Dollars that the rightwing Cabal behind Republican party spends per year to turn the most psychotic people in US into Republican followers.
Actually, it was released at 1.16, then fell to .3 (because Europe sucks), then up to 1.5 when Lehman failed, but it'll be back to .3 by the end of 2012...because Europe sucks.
As usual you Republican lunatics are wrong, even wrong about numbers, just think how wrong you psychos are about complex matter.
Here is the exact rate of Eur/USD since its intro:
As you can see Euro was actually introduced at 1 to 1 to US Dollar.
It went as low as 0.80 because it was a new currency and the World had not yet woken up to how US is suffering from an enemy within, which is you Republican psychos.
The link you posted doesn't show a 1:1 exchange rate at the introduction of the Euro on January 1, 1999.
This is a start:
Call me a psycho, read the article that describes the ACTUAL exchange rate (hint: not 1:1), then come back with some more lies.
Apparently, you can't even read. No wonder so much information on this site is wrong.
Expose': Multiple posters on this website are one and the same! Some examples are as follows:
To say that you Republicans are brain dead lunatic, is putting it mildly, for:
1st, Euro has gained a MIGHTY 33% over US Dollar since its intro.
By Member: Europal
You are the BEST example of what lunatics, what retards, Republicans in US are.
2nd, Euro has GAINED a Mighty 33% over US Dollar
By Member: Real_News
has GAINED a MIGHTY 33% against US Dollar.
Notice consistencies here? All posted by the same person...I am sure I can find more ...funny thing is even their personal insults are the same..."republican lunatic" figures strongly as well as "brain dead". Whoever is posting all this claptrap isnt even very good at it...
The jig is up guys...cause I am going to keep posting this every day. Multiple times and if necessary I will use new logins LOL you cannot stop me and the evidence is there for anyone to see.
Deceptions deceptions..how deep do they run?
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Given that so many of your posts repeat the same old tired mantra (mighty Euro, kingly Euro), and repeat the same exact personal insults (lunatic, brain dead) ....you should delete yours as being "repeat rants"...all the individual logins you post under.
So by your rearted reasoning then all you Republican lunatics from Rush, to Beck, to Hannety, to Gingritch, to Ron Paul, to Bachman, to you whom all you can say is "socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist socialism socialist ..."
must be the same people then.
So while you lunatics call something as needed for operation of a country as universal natiolized health care to be "socialism socialist" where it is a socialzed service, ypu love the US Military that is a 100% SOCIALIST serivce. You people are either part of the Con Job of the Republican party or are complete lunatics, like you, that have been brain washed by the Con Job of the Republican party and the rightWing Cabal behind them, to have NO grasp on reality anymore.
You have, obviously to any educated individual, no clue what socialism means.
From other posts, you exhibit an ignorance regarding economics that is astounding given your claims.
When goods are exchanged internationally...what is the currency of choice? The Euro? no...and given the financial crisis, the shakiness of the EU, the current trends, massive unsustainable debt by member nations, etc etc the dollar will continue to be the currency of choice over the euro.
Given those facts...please explain how the Euro is so "MIGHTY AND KINGLY" (rofl) if it isnt trusted by the international community?
If your claim is strictly on dollar vs euro value, you fail and everyone who has ANY knowledge regarding what is involved will know you are clueless.
Every time you Republicans open your mouth you further prove what utter complete lunatics you people are.
Tell us how is it that US Military that is a 100% Tax payer funded and Government run service is not "socialism" while Universal Nationalized Health Care as in UK, Israel, Canada, etc. which is also a Tax payer funded and Government run service is "socialism" ? By answering or not answering this question, you will further prove what utter complete lunatics you people are.
2nd, Euro is MUCH MORE VALUABLE than US Dollar. Given the FACT that Euro since its introduction in year 2000 at 1 to 1 to US Dollar has GAINED a MIGHTY 35% against US Dollar. Or can you psychos not even handle simple numbers?
Socialism is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy.
The military is not, never has been, a part of the economy, never has been privately owned in any part of the world, in any country. The military is, by definition, part of the govt just as a legislature is, just as an executive branch is, and so on.
Socialist economies are based upon production for use and the direct allocation of economic inputs to satisfy economic demands and human needs...Health care is typically and has been in free countries, provided by the private sector unless "socialized"....which is to say: health services would be (when socialized) controlled by the govt. Health services are a product of the private sector in the US. In many countries in the EU they are a product of the state controlled system...a system which is increasingly burdening public debt to unsustainable limits threatening to crush the govt's ability to even pay the interest on their own debt.
Again, regarding the Euro...you fail.
You freaking moron, who the HEK is advocating for "Socialism", what the article is advocating for is Socialized health care, which is what the Conservative parties, repeat for you Republican lunatics in US, the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, etc. are 100% for. So the whole point is that just like having Socialized Military, as we have, does not make us "Socialist" or the US economy "Socialism" having Socialized health care does not make us "Socialist" or the US economy "Socialism" either.
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I will quote you: "Tell us how is it that US Military that is a 100% Tax payer funded and Government run service is not "socialism" while Universal Nationalized Health Care as in UK, Israel, Canada, etc. which is also a Tax payer funded and Government run service is "socialism" ? By answering or not answering this question, you will further prove what utter complete lunatics you people are."
I answered your question with fact, making you look like the ignorant fool you are, and your response was quite clear. Proves my point.
You have made the comment about the military being socialized in several posts you have made on this website...I finally decided to answer.
Your response was pretty much limited to personal attacks...proves that you are ignorant and have no valid response. You apparently couldnt make the connection between your post above and my response. Displays a lack of critical,linear and analytic thinking on your part.
Thanks for calling me names : )
Rofl...you dont like my clear and concise, factual response to YOUR RANT which involved personal attacks and no logic, so you delete my response as a rant.
dude...you need to quit while you are ahead.
To quote you: "2nd, Euro is MUCH MORE VALUABLE than US Dollar. Given the FACT that Euro since its introduction in year 2000 at 1 to 1 to US Dollar has GAINED a MIGHTY 35% against US Dollar. Or can you psychos not even handle simple numbers?"
Same old tired mantra, as if value of a currency is that meaningful.
The main flaw in the euro: the sharp divergence of national economies that share a common currency without significant fiscal coordination, let alone a single treasury. This doesnt provide for stability, given current crisis conditions, nor confidence.
Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain — known now as the PIIGS, if Ireland is included — are the weak sisters of Europe, with high structural deficits matched with low prospects for the kind of economic growth and productivity improvements that can bring them back to health.
Spain has relatively low debt, but high unemployment and weak banks, and after the bursting of the housing bubble it can no longer rely on construction and inflated asset prices to propel growth.
What is the world's reserve currency? Not the euro.
You freaking moron, with this answer of yours you have further proved our points, the point of this article: That is a deeply flawed currency such as Euro,
is still beating the pants off the US Dollar.
This is really the best indication of how fundemetally screwed up USA has been
and continues to be. After all how screwed up can you be that it is 2011 and US does not have something as essential for the functioning of a Modern economy as universal socialized health care (NHS), something that the ENTIRE developed World has, something that the Conservative parties, repeat the Conservative parties, in UK, Canada, Israel, etc. 100% support. And why Conservative parties in entire developed World are 100% for their NHS, it is because in countries that have not-for-profit Government run NHS,
health care is taking on average 9% of GDP while in US with Wall Street run for profit health care, 50Mill+ have NO health care, 2Mill+ go bankrupt each year due to health care costs, and health care is taking a DEFICIT busting 18% of GDP.
Your information about the Euro being introduced at 1 to 1 to the US dollar doesnt seem to be accurate...My data suggests the opening price was at 1.15 dollars. I have checked with a couple of other sources and find no evidence of a 1 to 1 introduction.
Perhaps you can share a link detailing that information?
1st, Euro was introduced at 1 to 1 to US Dollar. I was there. I had European bank accounts that converted at 1 to 1 to US Dollar to Euro.
2nd, even if you take the Euro 1.15 to US Dollar, that still means that Euro has gained a MIGHTY % against US Dollar. Or cant you handle simple math!
3rd, some charts may show a higher initial price for Eur/USD, but that is the price they registered the trading and it is not what price Euro was introduced. Just like a stock that at IPO may open at $25 but was introduced at $10. So if you look at the chart of Euro on a candle stick type, you will see thae the low was at 1 USD.
I see...so even tho available data suggests differently you are going to continue to maintain that the euro was introduced at 1 to 1 against the dollar....
Please substantiate that data or retract your statements.
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Haha, Bruce just totally shit on Real News and exposed it for being the con job that it really is. It's full of one man's multiple login's and his elementary education spewing biased opinions and NO facts. Thanks Bruce!
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Britain now planning for a collapse of the EU/Euro due to unsustainable debt (the only thing that allowed socialism to continue there for the relatively few years it did)
To say that you Republicans are brain dead lunatic, is putting it mildly, for:
1st, Euro has gained a MIGHTY 33% over US Dollar since its intro.
2nd, If Europe did not have Universal socialized health care (aka NHS) then its Debt would be much higher since NHS means health care is run on not-for-profit basis and as a result healh costs the countries with NHS 50% LESS, repeat for lunatics like you, 50% LESS than what healh care costs in US where we do not have NHS and instead have for profit Wall Street run health care. And because Government run (aka Socialized health care) means 50% LESS cost to operate health care, which means NO Debt on personal level in this matter and much lower Debt Government level in this matter, is why all the Conservative parties, repeat for lunatics like you, the Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Israel the beloved nation of Republicans, etc. are all 100% for their Universal socialized health care.
OTN, here is Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK stating that they are 100% for their NHS:
"Over three years ago David Cameron spelled out his priorities in three letters – NHS. As the party of the NHS, we will never change the idea at the heart of our NHS – that healthcare in this country is free"
So, let me get this straight. NHS reduces spending on health insurance as a percent of GDP from 18% in the US to about 9% everywhere else (like Europe), but Europe STILL has a debt crisis?
On top of reduced spending on health care, they also racked up that much debt while NOT fighting wars to rid the world of dictators and terrorists. Yikes. So much spending with so few results. Must be tough across the pond these days.
Amongst all doom & gloom reporting from US Media, about "Euro Debt crisis" and the imminent "Doom of Euro" there is one truth, that is:
Euro is a deeply flawed currency.
Because Euro is currency of a monetary Union and not a Federal Government. This means countries that use Euro have different Tax rates, different Bond rates, etc. serious lack of monetary Union. This is really crazy when you think about, this means that for example Greece would have to borrow at 8% whereas Germany can issue Bonds at 3%, or Greece has 30% Tax on income over 250K, whereas Germany has 50% and collects it.
With above FACT stated, here is another FACT, a deeply flawed currency Euro is beating US Dollar, given that Euro has GAINED a MIGHTY 35% against US$. This the BEST proof of fundemntal problems of US economy, which are:
1- Lack of something as essential as universal socialized health care, something that would give health care to all Americans while cut health care costs by 50%.
2- Our Taxes wasted on One War after another and Gargantuan Military
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Why do you keep claiming that ALL European nations have socialized, NHS health care? It's just not true. For example, the Dutch and the Swiss don't and it is the law that you must buy private health insurance at your own expense. There is a LOT of false information on this blog.
You could not be further wrong, but you Republicans should be used to that.
That is Dutch and the Swiss, like all other European nations, like all other developed nations, have Universal health care, here is Switzerland:
"Healthcare in Switzerland is universal and is regulated by the Federal Health Insurance Act of 1994 (Krankenversicherungsgesetz - KVG)"
Moreover, you seem not to understand what Universal health care is, it can be as it is in UK, Israel, etc. where Government actually runs the health care system or it can be as it is in Switzerland, Canada, etc. where the Government tightly regulates health care plus running a part of it, so that:
1- Everyone has health care
2- Health care costs much less than in US
It is only "universal" in that ALMOST everyone has it BECAUSE THE LAW FORCES THEM TO BUY IT. Like Obamacare. In fact, IT IS DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAYCHECK. SO IT'S NOT "FREE" IS IT? And if you make little money, they still deduct the SAME amount as if you're rich. What is the amount? From the article YOU quoted:
In 2010, the average monthly compulsory basic health insurance premiums (with accident insurance) in Switzerland are:
CHF 351.05 for an adult (age 26– years)
CHF 293.85 for a young adult (age 19–25 years)
I'm an American adult in my 40's, and I pay $286 a month to Blue Cross Blue Shield for BETTER insurance and BETTER health care than Switzerland. My son is 23 and pays $164 a month for his.
BUT THIS IS ALL MOOT. EUROPE HAS ONLY BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SOCIAL SERVICES IT HAS BY BORROWING MONEY. THEY'RE QUICKLY HITTING THEIR CREDIT LIMIT. THAT IS WHY THE EURO IS COLLAPSING. SOCIALISM ONLY WORK UNTIL IT RUNS OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
To say you Republicans are brain dead, the real enemy of this nation, is putting it mildly.
1st, Obamacare is a Joke of a health care reform since it does not regulate the health insurance companies yet it requires people to buy health insurance companies which have brought us the current bankrupting health care system in US. It does not even end the truly "Crime against Humanity" act of health insurance companies denying health care to Americans because they have had an illness (aka pre existing condition), at least supposedly not untl 2014 which means it will KILL at least 250,000 Americans by then as the result.
2nd, For the Billionth time you buffoon NHS does not mean you get health care for free, but you get it FREE for the Taxes that you pay, just as we payTaxes in US but get NOTHING for it except one War after another and a Gargantuan Military. The Swiss model is not a true NHS, since you pay for your health care on top of your Taxes, but that is fine AS LONG as the Governmnent tightly regulates health insurance companies and Gauruntees health care for ALL.
3rd, The health insurance premium that Swiss pay is all they pay for health care, plus a $5 copay. The health insurance premium we pay in US most the time is useless, it is a rip off, since on top of it you have to you usually pay $1000s of in deductiables, and in most cases a copay of 20% and given that a typical US hospital stay can cost an insane $50,000 this means a copay of $10,000 whereas same copay for the Swiss is $5.
Ah what is the point to talk with you Republican buffoons, after all it is 2011 and all developed Wrold has had one form or another of Universal socialized health care for Decades.
Your only reply to anyone who disputes your position is to constantly refer to them as brain dead...LOL such a lack of creativity.
Not to mention the insults (consistent with a debate with a know nothing liberal) tell anyone reading the debate how clueless you really are that you have no where to go but insult....a classic liberal strategy..
Cant win the debate legitimately so resort to name calling.
Resorting to name calling = automatic loss of the debate.
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