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Date Posted: 2010-11-05
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Nov/10/2011 elections show that USA is NO Democracy
November 2010 elections resulted in Republicans winning the House and winning more seats in the Senate. And this happened according to the US Media because people were angry by the tough economic conditions in US, as exemplified by the high unemployment rate of 9.5%, although the real unemployment rates are actually closer to 20%! And due to HUGE Deficits in US.

But this is ABSOLUTE COMPLETE non-sense since the high unemployment rates in US and the HUGE Deficits of US Government are due to the policies of the Republicans and the right-wingers. After all look at the countries that have near FULL EMPLOYMENT, such as Germany, Japan, Australia, etc. or countries that have HUGE surpluses such as China and you will see that these countries have policies that are 100% opposite of Republicans, such as they ALL have Universal Nationalized Health Care, do not waste their Taxes on unnecessary Wars or on a Gargantuan Military.

So the only explanation for Republicans having won BIG in Nov/10 elections are:

1- A conspiracy by the right-wing Kabal that is behind Republicans to have rigged the Voting machines and otherwise done what fraud is necessary to manipulate the Voting results to show Republicans winning.

2- That Majority of Americans have been brain washed by the lies and lies of the right-wing Media, which is 98% of US Media, to not know what the FACTS are, and thus Vote for Republicans whom are the reason behind the high unemployment rates and HUGE Deficits in US.

This article is not about addressing how easily the Voting machines could have been rigged, since a good Conspiracy by definition is not possible to be proved, certainly not in an article that is based on FACTS. However you can read an article related to this possibility about the mysterious way how Jim Demint of South Carolina ended up running without any real opposition here, thus ensuring that he would be elected as Republican Senator of South Carolina.

So this article will prove the 2nd "explanation" based on FACTS of comparing US high unemployment rates with countries that have near FULL Employment and US huge deficits with countries that have HUGE surpluses.

So US economy is doing badly AND will continue to do BADLY due to some fundamental problems, which fundamental problems Republican champion, again Republicans champion these problems, proving what lunatics, what enemy of American people they are, AND which fundamental problems Obama/Dems DID NOT AT ALL address, either because they are in fact just as right-wing as Republicans are and they are really a Hoax, or because of the power of the right-wing Kabal from "Filibuster" to Blue Dog Democrats to the right-wing Media they control to fake ThinkTanks they have created, etc blocked or gravely watered down any attempt of the Obama/Dems to address these fundamental problems, which fundamental problems in summary are:

1- Lack of essential Social services such as universal nationalized health care (aka NHS), something that EVERY European, in fact EVERY developed Nation has, as a result of which while ALL their citizens have health care they spend about HALF as much on health care, WHILE in USA with no NHS and 50Mill+ without health care, health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP.

2- Our money (Taxes) wasted on one unnecessary War after another - Iraq War, Afghan War, etc.

3- Our Taxes wasted on a Gargantuan Military - such as 200,000+ troops in Europe at cost of at least $100Bill per Year.

4- 98%+ of US Media being a (aka right-wing lying machine), engaging in non-STOP LIES, fear-mongering and war-mongering to ensure that the above problems are not addressed.

About HIGH unemployment rates in US

Lets look at countries that have LOW unemployment to effectively FULL employment. What these countries are doing and are NOT doing compared to US then should tell us what we need to do to have FULL employment.

So Germany has near full employment at 6.0%, Japan has near Full employment at 5.2%, Australia has near Full employment at 5.3%, China has near Full employment at 4.2%, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

vs real unemployment in US at 20%, or Government reported unemployment in US at 9.85%, So what are they doing different in these countries compared to US?

1- They have universal nationalized (socialized) health care
2- They have MUCH MORE generous unemployment benefits than in US. OTN in typical European country unemployment benefits are at about 75% of your prior salary, whereas in US unemployment benefits are at the astonishingly nothing level of about 15% of your prior salary (1).
3- They have MUCH higher taxes on someone making more than 1Mill than in US.
4- They have MUCH more extensive regulation and a FAR more unionized workforce than the US.
5- Their workers by law get 8 Weeks paid vacation per year, compared to a measly 1 or 2 weeks in US if that.
7- They have Universal child care.
8- They have Universal Education, which meas you can go up to your PhD pretty much for FREE. Contrast this to US where getting a BS degree can cost you an astonishingly INSANE amount of $100,000 AND MORE, putting your or your family in debt for years to come, EVEN if you get a good Job, and GOD help you if you dont get a good Job.
9- They have by law avg of 52 Weeks of Paid leave for woman who gives birth at FULL pay vs NO such law in USA at all! To be exact Californian and NJ have a paid leave law for mothers who just give birth, but for only a pathetic short time of 6 weeks and at half of the pay. And in many European countries even the Father gets about 6 months of Paid leave at full pay for having a child.
etc. etc.

ALL of which policies Republicans and the right-wing Media in US call "Socialism.." and oppose, proving beyond a shadow of doubt as to what lunatics, what real ENEMY of American people, they are.

Now when you look at the above HORRENDOUS lack of Government provided services in USA vs European countries, and in fact all developed nations, just think about this FACT, that only USA and some of the poorest failed states in the World such as Somalia, Sudan, Tanzania, etc. do not have something as basic and necessary for the well being of the Nation as Universal nationalized health care or Paid Leave at full pay for mothers, etc.

So the Full employment results in these countries with universal nationalized health care and many other Social services that Americans do not have, proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Republican ideals, that is LIES for the benefit of the Big pharma, Big insurance (aka Wall Street gang), and the right-wing Media that enables them, such as Talkradio, Fox news, Wall Street Journal, etc. are EXACTLY the "Job Killing ideas...", are EXACTLY the reasons behind the HIGH unemployment rates in US.


HUGE Deficits in US vs HUGE surpluses in China

Another reason that the (right-wing) US Media gave for why people supposedly Voted Republicans is because they are worried about the HUGE Deficits in US. WOW!

But this is total non-sense since it is the Republicans and right-wingers policies, which again Obama/Dems barely addressed because Republicans blocked everything via "FiliBuster", that are behind the HUGE DEFICITS in US. To see this as being FACT, take a look at a country that has HUGE surpluses rather than HUGE DEFICITS, that is China. So what is China doing different than US that has given it a HUGE surplus vs US having HUGE deficits?

First of all, China is a Communist Capitalist country with the Government controlling and funding many industries, for example in China all the major Banks are Nationalized (aka Government owned), all the major energy companies are Nationalized (aka Government owned), etc. Now contrast this to the Republican's position since that buffoon Reagan that "Government is the problem not the solution...", "Government does not create Jobs..", etc. and here you have China and the Chinese Government is creating and running at least HALF the companies and thus Jobs in China as a result of which China has HUGE surpluses and a rapidly growing economy and thus Middle class.

Moreover, these difference between US and China polices apply:

1- China does not have a Gargantuan Military budget. To be exact 1st China's Military budget is like a MERE 5% of the US Military budget and even MORE IMPORTANT what Military budget China has is all spent inside China whereas most of the US Military budget is spend in the bases that US has in 128+ countries.

2- China is not engaged in (unnecessary) Wars 10,000 Miles from its borders as US is engaged in 2 Wars in middle east, for an astonishing 8 years and counting, in fact never ending Wars. Just imagine if China was engaged in 2 Wars in Central America, which is equivalent to US being engaged in 2 Wars in middle east, and as the result it had spent $2Trillon+ of its People money on these Wars, where do you think the Chinese surplus would be then? Of course it would have disappeared and it would have had a HUGE DEFICIT instead, as US has.

3- China has Universal Nationalized Health Care. Just like all European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel, etc. have Universal Nationalized Health Care. This means that Chinese businesses and people pay a small fraction of what American people and businesses (and ultimately the Government) pay for health care.

So as you see as per the example of China having HUGE surpluses, it is absolutely insane to say that Republicans (aka TEA baggers) are worried about HUGE deficits in US because it is the Republican and right-wingers ideas (aka policies) that are EXACTLY behind the HUGE deficits in US since China that has HUGE surpluses has policies that are completely opposite of Republican and right-wingers in US.

More on why China is having a HUGE surplus whereas US is having a HUGE deficit here.

Republicans position on health care is ABSOLUTE proof that they are total LYING machine

So Republicans claim that they are worried about the Deficits is a total LIE as per above points and is further proven to be an ABSOLUTE LIE, a total Con Job, by Republicans opposition to Universal Nationalized Health Care.

To be exact If Republicans and the (right-wing LYING) US Media that controls them actually cared about the ballooning US deficits THEN they would be for Universal Nationalized Health Care as they have in all European countries, Canada, etc. because in all the countries that have Universal Nationalized Socialized Health Care, health care on average is taking about 9% of GDP whereas in US where 50Mill have NO health care, 2Mill go bankrupt each year due to health care costs and at least 50,000 are KILLED each year due to being denied health care, health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

So if Republicans and Republicrats (that is Democrats in name only), actually gave a SQUAT about the ballooning US deficits then they would be for Universal Nationalized Health Care and that is why Margaret Thacher's Conservative party in UK, Angela Mekels Conservative party in Germany, Sarkozy's Conservative party in France, Stephen Harper's Conservative party in Canada, etc. ALL are 100% for their Universal Nationalized Health Care. Because a real Conservative, would be for SAVING money while getting the Job done, which is what Universal Nationalized Health Care does in regard to the health care costs of the country which is one of its most important costs and investments.

So this means by switching to Universal Nationalized Health Care, as they have in ALL European countries, Canada, etc. we would SAVE the US Government (Tax payers) $1.2T per year, while ALL Americans would have health care. How? Details here.

How is it possible for so many Americans to have become so brain dead?

So given the FACTS, as detailed above, that it is EXACTLY because of the ideas/policies of Republicans and the right-wingers in US that US economy is doing so badly and US is having such HUGE deficits, THEN how is it possible that so many Americans would be so brain dead to Vote for the Republicans?

The answer is that 98% of US Media is a right-wing LYING machine, lying and lying and lying and brain washing the most uneducated in America (aka "White Trash") to not think of the the above FACTS and instead Vote for those who profit from the above fundamental problems of US economy and Vote against their own self interest.

Of course now a days such Media sources as RealNewsPost.com Web site, Mediamattergs.org or Huffingtonpost.com, etc. web sites also exist to debunk the lies of the right-wing Media, but the reach of these Web sites is still minuscule compared to TV, Radio, etc. Big media outlets.

More on what a right-wing LYING machine most of US Media is here.




Footnotes:

(1) Unemployment benefits in typical European country are at about 75% of your prior salary, whereas in US unemployment benefits are at the astonishingly nothing level of about 15% of your prior salary, given that unemployment benefits in most US states are up to maximum of $450 per week. Here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40495582/

(2) Koch Brothers: How a right-wing Kabal has hijacked the US Government

(3) Republican will say any Lunatic lies to get away with their Con Job on American people.

(4) A sampling of the countries that have much higher Taxes than US and MUCH LOWER Unemployment:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42192653?slide=1
thus an irrefutable proof that IF you want Lower Unemployment rates and Higher prosperity for the Main Street rather than Wall Street then you Tax the Rich more, as these countries are, and have MUCH MORE generous Social Services as these countries have that have MUCH LOWER continuous real Unemployment than US.

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By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-08-16


Hmm...with all the bad economic news, social unrest and failing economies' news coming from Europe, this board has been pretty quiet. EU GDP is said to be 0.2%....and there are more developments coming, more bad news, more countries on the verge of default.
Perhaps they need to increase entitlement spending to help their economies? Oh, wait, that never works.....The private sector generates wealth creation, the public sector consumes it...so by all means, lets increase taxes so our govt can continue to suck up resources from the private sector, thereby sending us into a depression. (If it's not too late already)

By Guest:   FoxedNewsMan
      
2011-07-12


why don't you move back to Greece with the rest of the socialist pig, handout- needing, whiny babies. Oh wait...they spent all their money on entitlements and are now bankrupt and have no choice but to enact austerity measures. Good plan on the handouts...why don't you take your a$$ and be useful by getting an education, getting a job, and becoming self-reliant like a true American. Loser!

By Member: Real_News
      
2011-07-12


FoxedNewsMan, whenever you Republicans open your mouth you further prove what utter complete lunatics you are. So keep up the psycho talk to prove to the whole World what nut job you people are.

To be exact I mentioned Germany, etc. who 1st have even MORE "Socialized" services than Greece and whom 2nd have MUCH LOWER Unemployment than US and much lower debt than US.

And now I will further prove what psycho you people are by asking you a question, since by answering it or not answering it you will prove what brain deead lunatic psychos you people are, to be exact:

How what I described or having for example UNiversal Natiolized health care are socialist while Government telling us you cannot go over 65 Miles per Hour or having a Military, Fire dept, etc. that are Gopvernment run operations not socialist?

Go ahead answer that and prove to all further what psychos you Republicans are.


By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


" How what I described or having for example UNiversal Natiolized health care are socialist while Government telling us you cannot go over 65 Miles per Hour or having a Military, Fire dept, etc. that are Gopvernment run operations not socialist?"

First: The above paragraph is barely understandable, but I think I grasp your question. Also...it's: Universal Nationalized Healthcare. Not the gibberish you posted.

The police, military etc are provided for in the constitution. They do not involve handouts, but are common, ordinary services that any govt will provide for their citizens and do not involve Marxist principals in the least. NHS is NOT provided for in our constitution.

Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production or services are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively.

The conversion of privately, (or corporate) owned business to be owned and run by the govt constitutes a violation of rights per our constitution.

(to be continued)


By Member: Real_News
      
2011-07-12


1st, I said Military & Fire Department. And no where in the constitution does it mention Government running the Fire Department on Socialized basis.

2nd, what the HEK does the constitution have to do with what we do in today's Modern world. For that matter 1- The constitutional was written in 1776 by man who were very liberal for their time.
2- Constitution was written by man who traveled in horse buggy, lighted candle for light, hand pulled water from wells to drink water, took 3 months to send a message from New York to London, shall I go on? Basically by man who although were very enlighted for their time, where indeed ultra liberal for their time, still lived in a very long time ago.
3- Constitution was written when NO European country, Canada, Japan, etc. developed nation had Universal Nationalized Health Care, heck Universal Nationalized Health Care was not even a concept back then, so how the heck were they to have written Universal Nationalized Health Care into the constitution!

For that matter:
1- Where in the constitution does it authorize sending Billions of our Tax dollars to Israel?
2- Where in the constitution does it authorize having Military bases in Europe?
3- Where in the constitution does it authorize National parks (Yosemite, Yellow stone, etc.)?

And then you describe what "Socialism" is, but the point is what does that have to do with running the Militarily, Fire department, health care on "Socialized" basis? To be exact just as we run the Military, Fire department, etc. on "Socialized" basis Europeans and in fact ALL of developed world runs health care and more on "Socialized" basis but NOT all of the economy as a result of which their economy as a whole is doing much better than US economy as you can see from China having HUGE Surpluses and much faster growth rates than US or Euro being much more valuable to US Dollar.

More here:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=39351

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


How is the military and fire departments run on a socialized basis? It is obvious you do not understand the concept.

The constitution was written in broad terms, to limit the scope and power of govt, and if followed, does a great job at that. A socialized govt/economy is not subject to the limitations provided for by the constitution, and by definition, is unconstitutional. Everything does not have to be specifically enumerated in the constitution.
Military bases were established in Europe (and were needed at the time, but I believe the time has passed) to provide for the defense of America, via protection of Euro countries. These powers/authorities are granted to the President as Commander in Chief.
Authorizing tax dollars to Israel? (so, you are a nazi?) are also spelled out in the constitution regarding treaties.
National Parks fall under the powers granted to the Legislature and Executive departments.
Your ignorance is Legion.

By Member: Real_News
      
2011-07-12


Did you actually say:
"How is the military and fire departments run on a socialized basis?"

You can not be that brain dead!
These services are 100% Government paid services from Taxes that we pay.
That is the Government sets the salary of Captains, Majors, Colonels, Generals, etc., and from our Taxes pays their salaries. The Government, our Government, pays every cent of all the Military equipment purchased from our Taxes.

When we need Military protection, the Military does not ask us whether we have Military protection insurance or not, it provides that to us for free, free for the Taxes that we have paid.

The same exact thing goes for the Fire Dept., Coast Guard, etc.

Which is exactly how the Universal nationalized health care is paid for and operated in countries that have NHS.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


No offense, but your knowledge of the constitution and history tend to make me believe you are a young teen. Your poor sentence/paragraph contruction and spelling issues also support that belief.

After 2 world wars beginning in Europe, the US (at the time the choice was virtually unanimous) established bases in Europe in the hopes of preventing yet another world war. The reasons for the bases have since passed into history, and those bases should be closed. There is no constitutional question regarding their existence, and never has been (except, perhaps, by the very ignorant). Their existence falls under several powers granted in the constitution.

The fact that you single out Israel for your complaint regarding foreign assistance (something I think we should stop) suggests anti-semitism on your part. The Nazi party was basically socialist in nature...perhaps you are a member?

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


The whole idea behind the constitution, reiterated over and over, is to define and LIMIT the powers of the federal govt. Each branch was to have controls over the others. Need I explain how that works?
Our current govt (executive branch in particular) has increasingly thumbed their nose at the constitution and, frankly, I think Obama is subject to impeachment by conducting a war (Libya)not sanctioned by the legislative branch, as defined by the constitution.
Technically, there is no provision for much of what the Feds do now, and I would be much happier for a return to a strict constitutional style govt.
Regarding your comments about when the constitution was written...obviously you are not aware of the opinion of constitutional scholars the world over regarding the way it was written....it is timeless...it also provides for a methodology to change as time requires (amendments).
Take your ignorance regarding the constitution and shove them, stop making an idiot out of yourself.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


ok...dude...you do realize that just because a service (ie, military, fire dept..which btw is local, not fed) is paid for by the govt doesnt make it socialism????
By your definition, any govt with a military and police and fire dept is socialistic. Thats stupid, insane and a clear indication that you have no effing clue what you are talking about.

You have no clue what socialism is...none...whatsoever.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


besides which, the military is provided for in the constitution? Specifically?

Regarding police and fire depts they are local and fall under the powers granted to the states and are provided for under state constitution.

You are funny, dude...so ignorant, and yet you continue to spout stuff you dont understand.

NHS would be a federal program and there is nothing in the constitution that allows for it. Technically, social security and medicare are unconstitutional...this can be argued.

There is, however, provisions for military, and indirectly for police and fire depts.

Care to make any more obviously stupid comments?

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


As far as speed limits goes, how does that relate to socialism in the least? Are you truly that effing ignorant?

Examples of socialism in our govt/country are social security (bankrupting in 2018 and currently 1/3 of our budget), medicare and medicaid (bloated, wasteful programs that are responsible for another 1/3 of our budget). When you consider that fact and the relatively small % of people who are eligible, if you increase the spending/individual to include the sum total of the US, we cannot possibly maintain our budget and afford anything else BUT NHS.

In your aggrandizement of the European Union, you fail to mention the debt of most of the Union...the EU is likely going to fold up like a wet house of cards in the next few years, due to the fact that the very few successful countries cannot maintain the debts of the other 3/4. The Euro will be dropping value soon (if not already) and there are several countries on the cusp of default.

By Member: Real_News
      
2011-07-12


I mention the Speed Limit you Moron because that is another Government regulation. In fact the DMV department is a Government agency. To be exact there are 100s of 1000s of Government provided regulations and services, such as Speed Limit, which are NOT in the constitution, without which we would go back to a 1700 society, from the speed limit, to the water you drink, to electricity you use, all of which are either totally Government built and run such as Hoover Dam or facilitated by the Government in one way or another.

So the point is for you Republicans to state that because something is not in the constitution then Government does not have the right to provide it, is the ULTIMATE indication of what lunatics you are for again there are 100s of 1000s of Government provided regulations and services which are NOT in the constitution without which we would be living in the dark ages, from our Cars not being able to move, to planes not be able to fly, after all you do know that the Air Traffic controllers are Government employees too, to etc. etc.

About your crap about European economies that is NOT even worth responding as per you psychos have been saying that for years and Euro is a MIGHTY 40% more valuable than US Dollar.

And again you freaking moron it is not just Europeans that have Universal Nationalized health care (aka NHS), ALL Developed nations have NHS, in fact only US and some failed states like Sudan have no NHS.

I will not be replying to you further since you are obviously beyond brain dead since many have provided you the same facts but somehow you do not grasp it.




By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


Ok, you moron...LOL

Regulations and the ability of the Fed govt to regulate such IS spelled out in the constitution. You have no earthly idea what you are speaking of....

No...I did not say that if it isnt in the constitution the govt doesnt have the right to provide for it...HOWEVER, if it violates aspects of the constitution, then it is obviously outside the authority as provided.

You wont argue with me simply because you have no logic to back up your arguments other than "everyone else is doing it" which is rather childish.

Virtually all of those other nations providing NHS are also providing limited health care, poor quality health care, or are going bankrupt. Yes...

Canadiens come to the US for care, since they are not getting quality timely care at home. Need I go on? I think you just want someone to take care of you while you sit at home

Call me a moron all you want, but you are the one exhibiting a vast ignorance regarding history, current events, and our constitution.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


Your best argument seems to be name calling...the tactic of the weak.

BTW...you realize that Montana has no Interstate speed limit, and yet their safety records fall in line, and in some cases are better, than those states who have imposed limits? Oh...that brings another point Einstein....speed limits are not controlled by the feds..they are controlled by state and local govts....should I add to that "Moron" as you would have?

You are so freaking clueless it's sad.....

Oh...the Euro is a ??mighty?? 40% more valuable than the dollar (what are you a child?)...you do realize that the value of a currency is related to several factors that dont necessarily have much to do with the strength of an economy, dont you? Such as: how much is in circulation (in other words...if the US prints significantly more dollars that will affect the value negatively). Not to mention speculation affects value...and so on and so on.

Once again, you provide us with an example of ignorance.


By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


The fact that the Euro Union is in economic chaos is reported daily....the fact that Greece, Itally, Ireland (to name a few) are in desperate shape and on the verge of default means nothing? The fact that much of the debt of these countries is held by Germany and England (who have huge debt of their own) and if the debtor nations go default that will start a domino effect?

You really are clueless

You should move to Europe...it's obvious you belong there, want to be there, and wont be happy unless you do move there.

Meanwhile, in the US, we have massive debt and some idiots want to increase that debt by taking on the health care costs of 300 million people...makes a lot of sense, doesnt it? lol
In order to take on that cost, we would have to impose stifling taxation that would send our economy into a depression, the likes of which we have never seen. Imagine if you only had 30% of your paycheck to spend...because the govt thinks your money is theirs..what effect would that have?

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-07-12


*** Deleted by Admin for being rubbish ****

By Guest:   Guest
      
2011-07-18


Deleted? Welcome to China, Bruce.

By Guest:   Carlos
      
2011-06-02


It's hilarious that you think the problem with the United States is not enough government spending and handouts. These are completely the very core of our problems and to keep on spending more is the same thing as smoking does to lung cancer. Thinking the government is the answer to our problems instead of the cause of our problems, is lethal.

By Member: Real_News
      
2011-06-02


Can't you Republican psychos read?
or are you too brain dead to grasp FACTs anymore?

For in this article I have pointed you to countries that have near FULL Employment and MUCH Lower deficits to surpluses compared to US and then listed what they do different than US. And what they do different is that their Government are a KEY part of the solution toward their better economies. Such as:

1- They have universal nationalized (socialized) health care
2- They have MUCH MORE generous unemployment benefits
3- They have MUCH higher taxes on someone making more than 1Mill than in US.
4- They have MUCH more extensive regulation and a FAR more unionized workforce than the US.
5- Their workers by law get 8 Weeks paid vacation per year, compared to a measly 1 or 2 weeks in US if that.
7- They have Universal child care.
8- They have Universal Education, which meas you can go up to your PhD pretty much for FREE.

etc. Government provided/regulated benefits.

Wake up to the Con Job of that Republicans have been playing on us since that buffoon Regan said:
"Government is the problem not the solution..."

The purpose of which Con Job was/is:
1- To give American (middle class) people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Wall Street Gang and their Agents to get as rich as they can off the back of American middle class by NOT HAVING the Government (of the People by the People for the People) regulate what Big corporations can charge the People.
3- To have the Rich not pay more Taxes, as they do in Northern European countries and lets remind as a result of which they have MUCH BETTER economies and societies that US.

More:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=44035

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-02


How does socialized health care contribute to employment and deficit reduction? (more govt dollars spent=larger deficit or higher taxes)
How does generous unemployment benefits contribute to employment? (more govt dollars spent=larger deficit or higher taxes)
How does unionization and regulation contribute to employment? (the unionized industries in the US are dying out, due to NON union production in the Asian countries)
How does universal child care contribute to employment? ((more govt dollars spent=larger deficit or higher taxes)
I agree that education is wanting in the US, and access to.

The FACTS as you state them are misleading. The countries which are illustrated may not have larger deficits now, but have far larger (% of GDP) DEBT than we do. They are, or soon will be, in deep trouble, something I hope the US can avoid.
As soon as someone can SHOW me the above correlations, which run counter to logic, I will support them. Until then, no way.

By Member: ThinkDeep
      
2011-06-03


It is absolute non-sense, or LIE, to say that Germany, Norway, etc. "have far larger (% of GDP) DEBT than we do.." In fact in prior reply you were shown this to be the case.

In response tos: How for example does socialized health care ("NHS") result in Job creation? Or better economies? You really do not know the answer to this! WOW!!

Just read the comments by the Conservative parties, repeat the the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, etc. why they are 100% for their the NHS, because JUST ONE of the reasons is that under a socialized health care system, then health care will cost the Government and Business much less. For example in any typical European country, Canada, etc. as a business you pay your Taxes and then you do NOT HAVE TO WORRY about paying the health care costs of your employees, as in USA, since health care is paid from your Taxes and regulated by the Government for such costs NOT to go up beyond rate if inflation.

So that is why in all European countries, Canada, Australia, etc. that have NHS, where all their people have health care, health care is taking about 9% of their GDP whereas in US with for profit health care and no NHS, 50+ Million Americans have NO health care, 50,000+ Americans are KILLED each year due to being denied health care due to this monstrosity called pre-existing Condition AND health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of our GDP.

How many times do we have to list these FACTS for you Republican lunatics to get ti? Again, just read the Web site of the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, etc. as to why they are 100% for their the NHS, here is one:
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Health.aspx

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


You are obviously confusing debt with deficit and refuse to even investigate the numbers. What was shown earlier in rebuttal was current deficit, whereas the point in question was total debt.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,515454,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
http://www.creditloan.com/blog/2009/06/05/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/
http://www.infodebt.net/index.php/germany-national-debt.html

Do your research, and then tell us how healthy germany's and other Euro countries are....

If you would rather call me names, then you merely prove a lack of intelligence, and a lack of ability to debate.

By Member: ThinkDeep
      
2011-06-03


Anyone can show a Web site or a report to back some oxymoron point of view that they may have. So no point in debating the Web site data that you have posted. BUT Here is a FACT, and not just research: European economies are doing MUCH BETTER than the US economy as you can see from:

1- Euro being a MIGHTY, KINGLY, LORDLY, MANLY 45% more valuable than US Dollar. Which is the ULTIMATE vote of the World, with their money, as to which economy is doing and going to do better.

2- Avg homes in Europe being much more valuable than avg homes in US and not falling in 99% of Europe

3- NO banks having failed in Europe except those that bought US mortgage backed securities or securities issued by Lehman Brothers or deposits made with Madoff's, etc. US misery.

4- Most US Auto makers WENT bankrupt, while NOT ONE European Auto maker went bankrupt.

etc. etc.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


"Anyone can show a Web site or a report to back some oxymoron point of view that they may have. So no point in debating the Web site data that you have posted. BUT Here is a FACT, and not just research:"
I see...so basically any data I post, link to or whatever that doesnt fit your view is automatically discounted...while you post "facts"...
The economies of europe are not that much better than those of the US...your comparison of dollar value vs euro is a matter of dems printing off dollars like they were going out of style. Right now, for several reasons, the Fed is pursuing a weak dollar policy...this is intentional...just as a strong dollar policy was pursued during the previous 25 years.
Bank defaults in europe are as unsteady or even more so than here. Several of the Euro countries are on the verge of default. UK debt is over 200% of GDP, and many other Euro countries are very close. There is no doubt we must get our house in order, but blindly following a Euro model is absurd.

By Member: World
      
2011-06-04


Bruce, you freaking moron, it is not "his views..." it is FACTS. It is FACTS that European economies are doing MUCH BETTER than US economy as per the evidence that Real_new posted, which in SUPER SUMMARY you can see by, and i am Quoting:

"Euro being a MIGHTY, KINGLY, LORDLY, MANLY 45% more valuable than US Dollar. Which is the ULTIMATE vote of the World, with their money, as to which economy is doing and going to do better."


By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-04


Moron? Do you not understand that the strength of the dollar is not necessarily tied to how the economy is doing, but rather how many are in circulation? You understand nothing about economics, but are blindly repeating mantra....
I agree the US's economy is in the dumps, due to idiots creating a negative environment for the corporations that actually produce a marketable and exportable product which has driven manufacturing jobs overseas....idiots that think that taxing corporations is good, that corporations are "evil"...which sounds as stupid as some of the "Bush speak". You tax a corporation, all you do is drive their costs up, which are passed on to the consumber...corporate taxes = stealth taxes on the consumer...idiots!
You! Calling me a MORON when you know nothing. Reagan pursued a strong dollar policy in the 80s (following the disastrous weak dollar policy of Carter) which Bush 1 and Clinton maintained...at the end of Bush 2, and particularly this admin a weak dollar is policy

By Member: World
      
2011-06-05


Bruce, you Republicans are really brain dead aren't you. Even though you say you are not Republicans, so whatever you want to call yourself as long as you are repeating the lies and non-sense of Republican party then you are Republican or brain washed by the same right-wing Media kabal behind Republicans being the lunatics that they are.

For example you actually said: "Reagan pursued a strong dollar policy in the 80s..." WOW! Man you really are brain dead.

For the Euro did not exist in the 80s. YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT KNOW THAT!
So Euro only came into existence in the 2000.

And Euro once coming into existence in 2000 and showing that it would hold then gave the World an alt major currency to move into and exposed the fundamental sicknesses of US economy compares to the European economies for all to see, such as lack of basic essential social services such as
universal nationalized health care (aka NHS), something that EVERY, repeat EVERY, European Nation has as a result of which while ALL their citizens have health care for nearly FREE, free for the Taxes that they pay, they spend about 9% of their GDP on health care while in USA where we have no NHS and instead have for profit health care, 50Mill+ of our people have NO health care, 2Mill go bankrupt each year due to health care cost, WHILE health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP.

Also other factors contributed to the World starting to move its money from USD to Euro, one very important one was the Iraq War, which showed to the World US is not a Democracy at all, that the US Media is the ultimate right-wing lying machine, and thus little hope for things improving in US.

BTW, I trade currencies for living. Along with options & stocks.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-06


World...you give your ignorance away with every post you make. Reagan did pursue a strong dollar policy, and it has nothing to do with whether the Euro existed or not. I know when the Euro came into existence...during Reagans admin the Berlin wall still stood. I am 56 years old, I lived history that obviously you only read about, and from your displayed ignorance, you understand little of what you read, at least that which doesnt fit your wee wittle world.
You claim to trade currencies..but apparently you understand little of what is behind the scenes...for instance, do you understand that increasing the monetary supply, you are likely to decrease the value of said currency? This is what the Obama admin is doing now... I knew a couple of years ago that the value of the dollar would be dropping. The fed was printing money like it was going out of style...
Its rather obvious to me that you are a European....lets talk in a year or so, bankrupt countries..massive debt lol

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


In reply to your socialized health care comments I merely refer you to the history of our govt running any programs, and comparing the cost factors to private sector performance. Our Fed is very good at waste and meaningless red tape, but is not very good at efficiency. As costly and bloated as our current health care system is, I am not convinced (by a long shot) that our govt can run it more efficiently and less costly than the private sector.

A better answer may be that those countries mentioned above do not have the huge military to support. They do not have a screwed up ponzi scheme called social security to support.

Do you honestly believe that our govt will not make a screwed up mess if they take over health care? Do you honestly believe, given the history, given the current status of our govt waste, bloat, and refusal to address the issues in front of them that they will take such a significant percentage of our economy, convert it, (socialize it) and wont botch it up?

By Member: ThinkDeep
      
2011-06-03


How brain dead are you people!
No one can be as brain dead as you Republicans!!

1st, European social security pays FAR MORE generous benefits than US social security.

2nd, European Governments pay many more forms of the social security and at much greater rates than USA. Such as in typical European country unemployment benefits are at about 75% of your prior salary, whereas in US unemployment benefits are at the astonishingly nothing level of about 15% of your prior salary.
here: http://www.cnbc.com/id/40495582/

3rd, About the US Military, YES EXACTLY that is the point. We need to cut our 'huge military" which is Gargantuan beyond any measure and spend those SAVINGS in paying Americans the level of Social services that Europeans, Japanese, Israeli, Australians, etc. get.

4th, About cost of Government running health care, as it is in rest of the developed world, vs in US health care being run by for profit companies,
ONCE AGAIN - HERE ARE THE FACTS:

in countries that have NHS, which is ALL European countries, in fact ALL Developed nations, health care is taking about 9% of GDP, whereas in US with no NHS, health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_systems

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


I am not a Repub...as stated in previous posts. I dislike polititians of both flavors. Crooks all.
Are you really not able to debate, but must resort to name calling? That is the extent of your ability? You discount yourself as a whack job every time you start your rant (yes, rant) off with bashing whoever voices a different opinion.
I thought the whole idea of democracy and freedom was to allow the free discourse if ideas and ideologies? You, sir, are either unable to do so, or you are intentionally attempting to stifly said debate through intimidation. I am not one to be easily intimidated, specially by someone unable to cede a point, unable to voice an opinion without resorting to name calling (which reminds me of one who has not the intellectual capacity to hold up one end of a debate, so then HAS to resort to name calling), and unable use logic, but constantly rehashes the same points over and over like a broken record. Its almost as though your reasoning capability is limited....

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


You still did not show any correlation between socialized healthcare and employment, or economy.
OH...and btw...I am not a Republican, so insulting repubs does not bother me, personally I find both parties to be greed based political organizations of which the only true believers are at the grassroots level. The upper echelons are comprised of people who are more interested (yes, Dems as well) in maintaining the status quo.
If laws exist that are wrong, it is because our leaders wish it so.
If conditions exist that favor any group over another, it is because our leaders want it so.
I am not rich, and personally I would love a true free healthcare system. I have enough experience with our fed govt to know (KNOW!!) how totally screwed up and corrupt it would become.
Are you aware of how govt bids are handled? Are you aware that I could bid on a project, lowball it and win, and when costs were "higher than expected" I would be paid more to compensate? Consider that carefully....

By Guest:   WeAreNotStupid
      
2011-06-03


I think you have been shown the correlation as clearly as can be shown, you just dont want to see it. Again as was noted before, in countries that have low to near full employment, such as: Germany, Japan, Australia, China, etc.

They all have socialized healthcare.

Equally as important, in the rest of European countries, Canada etc. whom all have Universal nationalized health care, you have ZERO person going bankrupt due to health care costs whereas in USA 2Mill+ go bankrupt each year due to health care costs. Of course this would mean far less hideous bleeding in the economies and fabric of these countries resulting in much better economies and societies as you can see evident by Euro being so much more valuable than the US Dollar.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


No! You have only shown a correlation of "they have NHS, we dont, their employment is better than ours" which is not a cause and effect, or do you know nothing about economics?
They have more liberal attitudes about drugs, their militaries are smaller....they do not have anything to do with each other.
Show me how NHS has any effect on employment....you cannot, simply because there is no logical connection.
Show me, using science, using facts, using logic...
You cannot...so I guess you will, once again, resort to name calling/personal attacks, because that is all you are capable of doing.
Period.
I am neither repub, nor dem...neither live up to their promises, both ignore the issues, both are more interested in reelection than solving problems. Things are as they are simply because it is in their best interest for them to be so.
Think...use the grey matter: Dems and repubs have both controlled all 3 branches, and yet conditions are as they are.

By Member: World
      
2011-06-04


Bruce, you Republicans are really brain dead, aren't you?
I mean you actually said:
"Show me how NHS has any effect on employment....you cannot, simply because there is no logical connection. "

Of course this fact is not written on a freaking silver platter for you to read, but you can connect the dots.

So, WHY would you want to hire someone in USA and pay about $15,000 per year for their health care costs (if they have a family of 4), which costs are going up all the time, WHEN you can hire the same person in Europe, Canada, etc. and pay almost ZERO for their health care costs because they all have nationalized health care.

AND on top of that Europeans are MORE educated than Americans too, because they also have Universal nationalized Education in Europe, which means a European can pretty much go to University for free, contrast this to US where a typical College degree can cost you an astonishing $50,000 to $100,000, thus saddling that person with debt for years to come even IF they get a Job after college, and that is why many Americans do not go for higher education whereas Europeans readily do.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-04


Apparently you are too stupid to connect the dots (there are none, in actuality), so you just attack with your wee intellect instead of actually making the attempt to connect the dots...
You are the braindead one....once again, I am not republican, nor am I democrat...they are both greedy fools interested in nothing more than maintaining the status quo, and if you dont see it then you are a bigger fool than I can possibly imagine. Apparently your reading comprehension suffers.
American jobs are not going to Europe...you really have no clue? When you go shopping, where do the products you buy come from? Asia, perhaps? Or do you bother to look...
Asia is gaining the jobs because their workers are being paid less than $3/hour, they get no benefits, and there is no EPA, no OSHA, no regulation, and virtually no taxes. Europe is in bad shape, the LORDLY, MANLY euro is in trouble, idiot. There are discussions related to euro countries leaving the currency, or can you not freaking read?

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-02


Oh...and a simple numbers game shows that if you were to tax everyone making more than a million dollars at a rate of 100% you still would not eliminate our deficit as it currently stands.
Taxing "the rich" can be part of the solution (provided it is reasonable), but budget cuts HAVE to be the rest of the solution.
I love how people want to increase taxes on others...but generally do not want their own taxes to increase. If you are successful, you must be penalized. Personally, I would like to know that if I make more, the govt doesnt decide the more is theirs...I have news for them...its mine. One of our problems now is we have a bloated, wasteful govt that cannot regulate itself, let alone the private sector, and their solution to everything is to throw more money at it...my money, your money. There is no such thing as govt money...its all money we have worked for. What makes our leaders think they are entitled to it? Within reason is fine...but they take too much now.

By Member: ThinkDeep
      
2011-06-03


You IDIOT, NO one said Taxing the rich only as the means to convert the HUGE Deficits in US into HUGE Surpluses, there are other steps needed, as listed here:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=44035

In summary these steps are listed below. And lets also state up-front that China that is already taking these steps has a HUGE Surplus.

1- Tax the Rich and Big corporations much more - 55% in Germany for someone making over $500K vs 36% in US,

2- Do not engage in unnecessary Wars 10,000K from your border - ZERO Wars China engaged in vs 3 Wars for US at the cost of $3-Trillions to date,

3- Do not have a Gargantuan Military budget - ZERO Chinese Military bases outside China vs US bases in an astonishing 120+ countries,

4- Have Universal Nationalized health care (aka NHS) - for in countries that have NHS, which is ALL European countries, in fact ALL Developed nations, health care is taking about 9% of GDP, whereas in US with no NHS, health care is taking a DEFICIT BUSTING 18% of GDP.


By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


You IDIOT!! I didnt say that anyone said that taxing the rich only was the solution.
Perhaps you should exercise what reading comprehension you can to reread what I posted. I posted an opinion on what was needed, as well as an opinion related to those who advocate the increase in OTHERs taxes, and yet not their own.
I also opined regarding taxes in general, as well as the incredible waste which is our federal govt. I am not inclined to give them more of my money, seeing how they waste and abuse what they are getting now.
If you want this to degenerate into a name calling contest, instead of an intellectual debate...fine with me, but I think that is a stupid approach to debating and one that lacks class.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


One question....if health care is not paid for by the govt...how can it be deficit busting?
Also...how does taxing corporations work? That just works out to be a stealth tax on the consumer...Currently, the US has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world, and is reflected by the rate of production (value added) jobs leaving the country. I can expand on that considerably if you wish...I love to debate corporate taxes.
Regarding wars...agreed...we should not be what we are. We should not be throwing away our money and lives as we are. We should be smarter than that.
China has a huge surplus due to massive production/exports...period. They are increasing their military expenditures and have plans for much more. There is a simple philosophy involved. Export more than you import...you get rich. Import more than you export...you get poor. America has imported more than it has exported by 15 trillion dollars in the last 20 years. That is 15 trillion dollars that we no longer have.

By Member: Real_News
      
2011-06-03


You actually said:
"if health care is not paid for by the govt...how can it be deficit busting?"
In US Medicare and Medicare are Government paid health services. And they are growing by astronomical rates BECAUSE we do not have Universal nationalized health care. In fact and here is really a KILLER fact: if we switched to Universal nationalized health care, as they have in ALL European countries, Canada, Israel, etc. for just the money that that we (our Government) is spending now on Medicare and Medicare, we could give ALL Americans free health care, free for the TAXES we already pay. You can read more about this in a web site by Physicians for single payer health care, here:
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

So given HOW much Universal nationalized health care (NHS) will SAVE us while giving ALL Americans free health care, free for the TAXES we already pay, why dont we have NHS? Because under NHS, salaries of health care providers are set by the Government and health care is provided free of profits and share prices and no top brass of health care companies is paid $20Mill per year and flies in $50Mill private jets, etc. and instead they would be paid a salary in-line with the top brass of the Military, which means 200 to 300K per year, which is of course still a very good salary, since 95% of Americans are paid less than $200K per year.

So Big Pharma, Big Insurance (aka Wall Street gang) who stand to loose $1-Trillion per year by operating health care on a Universal Nationalized basis, are spending 10s of Billions of Dollars per year to directly or indirectly finance such lying slime bags as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannety, Fix news, Wall Street Journal, CNBC, etc., in fact 99% of US Media, to brain wash the (uneducated) American people, to not be aware of how much vastly superior for the People and the Government Universal Nationalized Health Care is.

More:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=34590

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-03


ok...makes no sense how you can claim that medical coverage for all will cost the same or less than medical coverage for a much smaller percentage of the population. There is no logic to that....medicare is rife with corruption and waste, wth makes you think that universal health care wont be more of the same just on a much larger scale??????
Dude...that reasoning makes no sense whatsoever...

By Member: World
      
2011-06-04


Once again for Bruce's of the USA, who say such amazingly uninformed thing as:

"ok...makes no sense how you can claim that medical coverage for all will cost the same or less than medical coverage for a much smaller percentage?"

How can you not know the answer to this question by now! It is 2011 for GOD Sake and All Europeans countries, Canada, in FACT all developed nations that have had Universal Nationalized Health Care (NHS) for decades and thus have provided you/us the answer as to how NHS will mean ALL people having health care while health care costing 50% less than it does in US. The answer is:

that under NHS no health care company will be operated on a for profit basis and thus able to pay 100s of Billions in dividends to Wall Street & salaries of health care providers are set by the Government and health care is provided free of profits and share prices and no top brass of health care companies is paid $20Mill per year and flies in $50Mill private jets, etc. and instead they would be paid a salary in-line with the top brass of the Military, which means 200 to 300K per year, which is of course still a very good salary, since 95% of Americans are paid less than $200K per year. As a result of which we would SAVE the US Government, which ultimately means the American people (Tax payer), $1Trillion per year in health care costs, again as EVIDENT by the FACT that in every country that has NHS, health care on average is taking about 9% of GDP vs 18% of GDP for health care in US.

For example the current Governor of Florida that has made something like $172Mill from health care, would have made $171Mill LSSS under NHS from health care and that $171Mill in SAVINGs would have gone to people of Florida/USA.

More here:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=34590

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-04


You guys are too stupid for words...the govt is going to manage your healthcare and not waste more money than is being wasted by medicare now? What fantasy island do you live on?
I suppose canadiens come to the US for medical procedures because their NHS is doing so well....
What is the personal tax rate for Germany? Over 50% (on average)...what is the tax rate for France? Over 50%...what is the tax rate for Belgium? Over 50%...getting the idea? Its not free health care....you delude yourself.
At the same time, their total debt (debt, not deficit) is double the rate of the US...so who is in trouble economically? If you think their economy is rosy, you are just too stupid for words.
And because of you corporation haters, the only jobs available in the US now are at McDonalds and WalMart...lol. When the economy totally tanks here, realize that it was the liberal's fault.

By Member: ThinkDeep
      
2011-06-07


Bruce, every time you Republicans open your mouth you just further prove what utter complete lunatics you people are.

1st, the FACT that Government operates health care MUCH BETTER than for profit private companies has been PROVEN by ALL European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel, etc. given that in all these countries that have had Universal nationalized single payer for decades ALL their people have health care for FREE, free for Taxes they pay, while health care is costing them 50% LESS than USA where 50Mill+ have NO health care and health care costs are bankrupting us. Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

2nd, the positions that we have, that is a healthy Nation and economy can only exist by operating essential services such as Health care on Universal nationalized single payer basis is the same position as that of the Conservative, repeat Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Japan, etc.
Here:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=35602

Which proves the point as to what utter complete lunatics you Republicans in US are, for our positions are 100% in line with the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Japan, etc.,


By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-06-07


It is obvious that you do not live in this country (US)....otherwise you would know now poorly our govt runs anything! Look at medicare and medicaid. They take care of a small percentage of our population, and yet comprise 1/3rd of our budget, which is running at a huge deficit and adding to our debt daily.
To suggest that we could run the healthcare for all Americans more efficiently is just ridiculous....The govt costs for running medicare are huge beyond belief.
Unless you can explain the waste and corruption of medicaid and medicare, and exactly (exactly!) how the waste and corruption (give details, numbers etc...something you cannot because you wont be running it) will be eliminated then you are doing nothing but puking words.
I am not posting here anymore....too many kool-aid drinkers that can do nothing but point at Europe...and not even man enough to acknowledge the real problems there...I also suspect the same person is posting under a couple of different names.

By Member: World
      
2011-06-07


You actually say that:
"It is obvious that you do not live in this country (US)....otherwise you would know now poorly our govt runs anything! "

So you are saying that the Government of all European countries, Canada, Japan, Israel, in fact all developed nations can run their health care systems well, given that all developed nations have Universal Nationalized health care (aka NHS) and health care is costing 50% less in these countries while all their citizens have health care from cradle to grave, BUT the Government of USA alone cannot run health care on socialized basis!

Are you freaking insane or do you think we are brain dead or do you think people do not have Internet connection so that they can bypass your non-sense...

This insane comment of yours that only the US Government cannot run health care on socialized basis, while all other developed nations Governments can and have been doing for decades is exactly the main point of this article: that is this is the Ultimate Con Job that Republicans and the right-wing Media as agents of Big Pharma, Big insurance (aka Wall Street gang) have been running on American people for decades ever since that buffoon Reagan said:
"Government is the problem not the solution..."



By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-05-17


"The unemployment rate in Germany was last reported at 7.60 percent in March of 2011. From 1991 until 2010, Germany's Unemployment Rate averaged 9.73 percent reaching an historical high of 12.10 percent in March of 2005 and a record low of 7.30 percent in December of 1991. The labour force is defined as the number of people employed plus the number unemployed but seeking work. The nonlabour force includes those who are not looking for work, those who are institutionalised and those serving in the military. This page includes: Germany Unemployment Rate chart, historical data and news."
Seems that the author likes to use/play with data. The real unemployment rates (as reported by Germany) do not really support his arguments. I never accept blindly numbers people throw at me, I always seek independant sources to confirm or deny such claims. The problem with most people is they do not. They will accept data that supports their preconceived notions.

By Guest:   WeAreNotStupid
      
2011-05-16


1st, thank you for this article, it really opened my eyes up..
2nd, have you seen this new documentary about how the Koch brothers have truly hijacked the US Government by creating all these fake TinkThanks, from Hoover institute in Stanford Univ to American for prosperity to etc.:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/15/koch-brothers-leftwing-film-maker


By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-05-17


not stupid? what do you call blindly accepting data presented as fact without doing any fact checking? do you only accept data that supports your political views? The actual facts tend to point towards issues with both parties, neither being true to their stated belief system. There was no way the powers that be didnt see the credit crash, and yet no one did anything to stop/prevent it, nor did they even alert people to the problems ahead of time.

By Guest:   EuroMax
      
2011-04-08


I agree. There is NO way that American people, or anyone sane would Vote Republicans given that their policies have been proven to be totally wrong putting it nicely, or lunatics as you put it here in this article, as proven by the Chinese having huge surpluses and fast growing economies and China being the ultimate example of Big Government ensuring economic growth since China operates many more industries beside Health care on Socialized basis. It is wake up time people.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-05-17


This is just ignorance in motion....Chinese surpluses are due to many factors, major and foremost being the fact that they manufacture the lion share of the world's goods and export those. That is called a positive trade imbalance, which enriches any country (such as the US during the 60s) who can maintain such a balance. The US has experienced a negative trade imbalance for the last 20 years, during Repub and Dem controls of govt. We have imported more than exported, during that time, over 15 trillion dollars. In other words, we have spent, as a nation, 15 trillion dollars more than we made as income...not a good balance sheet. Thats the bottom line, bud...check it out and stop the ignorance.

By Guest:   Konnekt_de_dots
      
2011-04-07


So Republican lying machines, such as Ryan, Bohner, Cantor, McConnel, Palin, Rush, Wall Street Journal, Fixed news, etc. say that "We are broke" YET they, their bosses like this Jim Dimon get $20Mill per year + fly in $50Mill private Jets plus many 10s of Millions of Dollars in perks that you do not even hear about since they are marked as Corporate expenses such as Multi Million Dollar corporate Apartments in NYC, London and many other exotic locations WHILE at the same time Republican lunatics tell us "We are broke" and they want to cut the paltry salary of the Teachers, Nurses, Fireman, etc. Union workers whom on average make a modest $48,000 per year. WHILE at the same time they also instantly approve $200Bill for Afghan War, Billions for Israel & $1-Trillion for the most Gargantuan Military in the World!

Come on people, WAKE UP to the Con Job that the Republican lunatics are playing on you.

By Guest:   Bruce
      
2011-05-17


and dont forget that 7 of the top 10 richest people in the fed govt are democrats. If you ignore that fact, than you are nothing more than a kool aid drinking fool unable to understand what is happening. Look into how much Pelosi gets/got for perks...if you dont complain about that, then again you are nothing more than a kool aid drinking fool. ALL the politicians are sucking us dry, and blaming it on a single party is just stupidity.

By Member: World
      
2011-02-12


Great article.
Related to this article, did you read that Germany's DAX is taking over US New York Stock Exchange? Just think a country (Germany) that has a population 1/4th of USA, is able to effectively take over the main stock market in US. How is that possible? How is it that they are having near FULL Employment in Germany with DAX at near 2008 levels and House prices nicely rising in all of Germany vs real unemployment in USA at close to 20% or Gov reported at 9.5%, and there is one economic misery news out of US after another? As you have so well listed, Answers are that in Germany:

1- They have universal nationalized (socialized) health care
2- They have MUCH MORE generous unemployment benefits than in US.
3- They have MUCH higher taxes on someone making more than 1Mill than in US.
4- They have a FAR more unionized workforce than the US.
5- Their workers by law get 8 Weeks paid vacation per year, compared to a measly 1 or 2 weeks in US if that.
7- They have Universal child care.
8- They have Universal Education, which meas you can go up to your PhD pretty much for FREE.
etc.

ALL of which Republicans call "Socialism.." and oppose, proving what real ENEMY of American people they are.

By Member: Free_People
      
2010-12-12


The Tax cuts for top 1% are further proof that Republicans are complete lunatics for stating that they are worried about the DEFICITs while they want to pass the Bush Tax cuts for the top 1% that would add $1Trillion Dollars over next 10 years to the Deficits.

Also lets state the FACT that Democrats last week passed the bill in the House to extend the Tax cuts for those making up to $250K ONLY, but the Republican slime bags in the Senate blocked it again AND as Obama said so well for a change "Republicans have thus effectively taken the nation hostage that unless you give $1-Trillion to the top 1% that we will make the American nation miserable...", which means we will block everything else from passing such as EVEN blocking health care for the 9/11 1st responders. Do you get it what enemy of American people Republicans are? That they are just the agents of the very rich (aka Wall Street gang) and they will say any LIES to get away with this fact. That is NOT are they not for universal nationalized health care for all Americans, something that ALL conservative parties in Europe, Canada, etc. are for their people, but they are even for denying health care to 9/11 1st responders until their real bosses, the Top 1%, gets another $1-Trillion or they will have no problem causing another Great depression since their real bosses are the very rich and not do they not mind a Great depression, since they are very rich already, but in fact they get richer from a Great depression.

By Member: Reporter
      
2010-11-16


This is a superbly written article.
It indeed describes as completely as I have seen that there is NO way that American people, unless they are brain dead, would Vote Republicans given the fact that Republicans and the right-wing policies of Republicans or Republicrats are the causes of US economy doing so badly compared to the developed World, from:
1- US having some of the highest real unemployment at 20%
2- US having some of the highest Deficits

WHILE Chinese who are a Communist+Capitalist country, who are to a great extent a "State run economy" are doing great in comparison to US, from having huge surpluses to the fastest growing economy, etc.

Also just think: since Republicans won on Nov/2 US stock market has gone down and down pretty much. Further proof that the World considers Republicans to be complete lunatics and THE cause of the US economy doing so badly compared to the Europeans, Chinese, etc. economies.

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